Tim Murphy

Quote from Randy V from the closed “Question from a Boostard” thread:

Yesterday, I banned Lagavulin (Paul) from Rennlist for an extended period of time. I sent an email to him and also to Tim Murphy, indicating that these type of malicious attacks do nothing to add to the credibility of either. It is the perception that Paul is pals with Tim, and hence he may have felt that his attacks were an indirect show of support for Tim's products.

Interestingly, I have received no reply to those emails.

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Randy,

I replied to your email last night at 11:25PM after I returned from a 3 day business trip. I would have replied earlier but it took me a few hours to skim through all the posts. (I will not post the contents of the email due to my respect for a direct email although the following should provide an adequate summation)

I’m sorry but I respectfully need to disagree with your position on this
entire subject.

First of all, Paul is one of the more intelligent people I have ever met
(this should be evident by the content of his posts) and my quick scan of
the subject posts I find nothing incorrect of what Paul has stated. Yes,
his comments are a little colorful and somewhat “in your face” but the one
thing they are, in my opinion, factual.

Andy has made statements many times saying that I encourage people to go after him to try to discredit his product and that I reward them with free services and products and that is simply not true (You, yourself Randy have insinuated the same). They are speaking for themselves, not for me. Now, with that being said; do I mind if they act like they do towards Andy? Not one bit. Quite frankly (in my opinion), with Andy’s childish behavior on this board he deserves everything he gets. And while I’m at it, that goes for Marc Thomas as well.

There, I said it out loud.

There are a few people here who make false statements on numerous occasions that are very misleading to the community which is always irritating. Mostly I choose to not make public comment because that is not part of my character. I wouldn’t be making this post if you, Randy, didn’t call me out on it.

I disagree that Paul’s comments have been clearly refuted. It reads to me
that they have been mostly supported and that people are supportive of having the facts on the table, including the support for Andy. Bottom line is that they are talking about it which only will help everyone in the long run, including Andy.

For instance:
If someone makes a big hoopla over an impending “event” and then they don’t provide a follow-up report of the “event”… that opens the door for someone else to make comments on what they believe to be factual. Paul just repeated what was buzzing around the rumor mill which then gave the “Promoters” of the “event” an opportunity to correct anything they felt was not factual. They had plenty of time to tell the story themselves but chose to be quiet as well as requesting the participants to do the same (according to the mill). This is appears evident to me by the sudden lack of posts from certain individuals.

Yes, Paul and I are friends, we met here on Rennlist thank you very much. I have never asked Paul or any of my customers (or friends) to promote my product here and as a matter of fact I have always asked them to be honest and forthcoming if people had questions, what ever they might be. I want the product to stand on its own and if it can't, perfect, I have better things to do. I also have never encouraged anyone NOT to speak their mind about the subject because I think the discussions (and debates) bring a lot of information to the board that many would not have the time or skills to research for themselves.

Andy has a serious side of paranoia that becomes evident in his posts (you all see it) but I feel I should add that I have been told by many that he is really not that way in person. I respect that and believe that to be true. When someone makes public statements of their opinion or views on a particular subject then that opens them up to the same public's opinion of their views. Isn't that what a public forum is all about?

I remember the Munk debate when he was getting his *** handed to him on the board about some of the work he was producing. I'm sorry to bring it up but Randy you did stand in his defense at that time. Looking back don't you think that the discussion on this board was in the best interest of the community? I recently met the owner of one subject car in the Munk debate and I can guarantee you that he wishes he would have been privy to the information that was shared on the board before he ever got involved with him. Matter of fact, he is thinking about replacing his 996TT and going back to a sc’d 928 because of the supercharger developments since he was initially involved.

Disclaimer: I truly believe that Andy is an honest and caring person and in no way am I associating him with the business practices of the other guy. I use the above statement for reference to the benefits of an open debate on a public forum with respect to censorship.

I have always been as honest as I can on this board as well as with anyone with whom I speak to regarding supercharging the 928’s. Do you think Paul always agrees with me? No way and his tonality is not much different when he is debating with me than when he debates with someone here. I personally like that because I know I am not always right and when someone questions my opinion, or knowledge, I want to hear what they have to say because they my have knowledge that I don’t have. That doesn’t mean I will agree but I am always interested in what they have to say.

Bottom line, I like fast cars and I like to figure **** out. This here is not what I'm all about.

You asked for my response and there you have it. I’m not happy about it but you gave me no choice.

Respectfully,
Tim Murphy

GoRideSno

Tim,
The part bolded above is where I want to point out that you are wrong in this quote. NO I don't have TIME. And that is where I get offended the most. I don't have time to read Lag's broken record long winded posts and replies. Somehow he seems to have a freakish amount of time to spend bringing me and others down though. And furthermore just because I start a thread with over 10,000 veiws (one on the largest ever on the 928 forum) and spend a week of my time, and few thousand of my own dollars so that a few people can get help with installing their SCs and dynoing them, dosen't mean I have to spend MY time writing up a report about the event. If people wanted to know what happened, they should havecame.I was out of the country for a week after the event and Marc and Susan uh well they had a baby.

Tim here's an idea. Hold an event similar to the DEVEK-Supermodel event and see if you can do any better. If you can't the shut up about it.
Andy K

Randy V

Ah, the puppetmaster comes out from behind the curtain...excellent.

DoubleNutz

Tim I love ya man, but this one is gonna leave a bruise!

bwebb77

Here we go again.

all4woody

Some of those Sumo suits would be a blast.

GoRideSno

Tim, the bottom line is that you would be far better off without Lag representing you voluntarily or otherwise on Rennlist. He's your friend, that's great, but his activities here, however scientific or propagandic in content don't serve you well in the end. Keep him in the back somewhere.
Andy

BrianG

Randy, for a moderator, that was a cheap shot..................

fst951

Hi Guys.

I like Tims products. I think that we have bought three kits and modified each of them for our exact needs. The kits are complete and work well. I think that plenty of people have said that Andy's need a little work and they have had a little problem getting them running properly. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to try one, I just don't have the money to stack up everyones attemp. Andy and Tim pay to advertise and I think that gives them the right to post anything they want. If Andy and Tim have a problem, let them have at it here.

Marc and Susan are good people as well. Don't kid yourself, Marc can be difficult to deal with at times, but I have always found that the pair of them have benefited the community heavily. Not everyone has to get along. God knows that plenty of people don't like my abrasive nature. I call it as I see it.

Randy, you are a decent guy...retract the tainted comment. Sterling and Brian are right on this one.

Have at it guys, get it out and over with.

Garrity

DoubleNutz

Squuuuse me while I pinch off this fart but...

daymun,,,,, lots of poeple asking for apologies and retraction of statements on this day from sponsors and moderators and we are not even in the OT Forum!!!

What is going on!!!

Jim_H

Seems that was an honest reply.

Though I am a twin screw fan and don't agree with some of what Lag said I hate to see him get banned for hisa opinion. Closing the thread would have been better.

Maybe that's why they don't ask me to moderate...

bcdavis

It's a tough choice, but I tend to lean towards allowing free speech about these issues.

I've had bad experiences with a particular shop a while back,
and because this board tends to have a bias against discussions
of bad opinions about a shop, or vendor, I just shut up about it.

But I agree that I would have preferred to warn my fellow rennlisters
about lies I uncovered, bad business practices, etc... But I did not
feel like I could talk about it. But I feel bad for people who might
get into bad situations because they did not hear the warnings.

I know sometimes it seems like people are all bashing on a vendor
or a shop. But if other people think they do good work, they will
usually offer the alternate opinion. And that is what I think is
the best way to deal with it. Let the chips fall where they may.

If Lag has questions about what happened to the installs,
or heard rumors about bad welds, I think a lot of people
would want to hear about that. And they will be willing
to wait to hear what the owners of the cars have to say.

If the car owners say it's no big deal, and they are happy
about their car, then we know Lag was just spreading rumors.
If the owners say they are unhappy with the product, then other
people might want to know about that.

I just hate feeling like we are forced to hold back on any negative
criticism of shops, products, or vendors...

Garth S

Tim and Andy,
Glad to see you both present and accounted for - and am hoping it will continue that way. I am merely one of the 10,000 readers and am amongst the 9900 who do not have a supercharger - but now feel compelled to post .
I always enjoy the debate that betters the art; however, debate of the tone in the recent threads has helped no person or thing. Your two initial posts in this thread carry the expected elements of justification, self explanation, etc., .... and a pleasant note of mutual respect.
Regrettably, I see no end to the sideshow element of this until both can swallow the urge to get in one last ( unnecessary) cut. In most cases, it is the Generals that draw the troops into battle - in this instance, that seems to have been reversed ...... but the troops never solve the issues - that is left to the Generals.
sic ..
and ...
... and so it will continue ...
It would be too easy to 'take sides' .. and even toss in a barb or two to see this show carry on. That is not the objective of this rambling post.
You both are caught in this soap-opera, whether dragged in unwillingly/ jumped in willingly as the two lead characters - so where do you guys want this to go?
Conciliation remains an option - but the cheap shots have got to stop: Take a tip .... solve it by PM!
The debate amongst the 'troops' will die of its own accord.

Abby Normal

Hey! Leggo my ego.....

AO

Randy...

I was just about to offer an opinion about your decision to ban Lag. But given your willingness to ban contributing (albeit somewhat controversial) members/non-members, can you please give me some background on how you based your decision? Objective vs. Subjective? Was there one particular thing that he said that rubbed your rhubarb the wrong way - or - was he just in violation of the "rules"? Did you give him fair warning that if he continued rubbing said rhubarb/breaking the rules that he would get a time-out? Just curious how you operate...
Thanks.