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Old 06-08-2023, 05:12 PM
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Default 1980 Manual Trans Swap

Looking for any gotchas and hints to look for when I swap the trans.

Anything different than the S4's I've swapped in the past?

Thanks.

Old 06-08-2023, 06:38 PM
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Does the '80 originally have a G28.03 or G28.05, and which trans are you swapping in? You may need to change the TT and crossmember, depending.

This is one of those running changes for which I've never been able to find any documentation on when it actually happened, and it's kind of a big potential gotcha if you're doing something like a trans swap.

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Torque tube variation. While I am sure you are aware that the 78-79 5-speed TT is an inch longer, 1445 mm vs 1420mm (1980-1995) (source). However, I noticed that the 1984 TT I used in my last conversion measured 1418mm which may be just manufacturing variances. Also, the mounting plate for the front shifter slide bearing (and the Hans shifter) has quite a bit of variation regarding fore/aft position. The one on my 1982 shaft was a full CM forward. While this variation has no impact on the functionality of the OEM shifter assembly, it will affect the Hans shifter. Fortunately, Hans is aware of the variation and has solutions available if your is out of tolerance. Review this thread for more context: https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...l#post18390570

Reverse Light options: You have two options, you can use the existing wiring for the automatic transmission where the voltage is run through "R" bulb on the gauge cluster to the reverse light relay (thread). Or you can convert the harness to 5-speed wiring configuration which eliminates the relay. See this post for some details:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ichael%20Benno. Given the ease of swapping out the gauge face for the analog cluster, I would go that route and get rid of the PRND23 indicators on the dash. I have a spare cluster you could harvest the tach from.

Cutting the tunnel. A jig saw worked extremely well. I recommend removing the seats. I wish I would have replaced the center tunnel carpet while I was in there though. (thread)

Put weight in the truck (eg wheels) when the transmission and rear suspension are removed to make sure the car does not tip off the lift or jack stands

Installing the Clutch Master Cylinder (CMC). I pre-installed Greg hose to the slave onto the CMC. There is a specific clocking that is required (thread)
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Originally Posted by Rob Edwards
Does the '80 originally have a G28.03 or G28.05, and which trans are you swapping in? You may need to change the TT and crossmember, depending.

This is one of those running changes for which I've never been able to find any documentation on when it actually happened, and it's kind of a big potential gotcha if you're doing something like a trans swap.
I was told it is the same year transmission.

Now I need to check.

Kevin
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Wait- are you doing an automatic to manual swap, or a different manual transmission into an already-manual car? I just assumed the former, but the devil's in the details you didn't provide.

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The transaxle in the car is a 28/03. The rebuilt unit is 28/05 - Both listed for the 1980.

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Pretty sure you're going to need the shorter (1416mm) torque tube and a different rear crossmember- You should have a .13 crossmember now, you need to change to a .14 crossmember.



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Yeah, that's what I read. Different TT and crossmember.

I need to put it back together and wait for what the customer decides.
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Besides the TT and rear cross member is there anything else I need to complete the swap?
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The rear shift rod (between the shifter and the rear shift coupler) is different. 928424002818 (G28.05) vs. the older rod you currently have.
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Originally Posted by Rob Edwards
The rear shift rod (between the shifter and the rear shift coupler) is different. 928424002818 (G28.05) vs. the older rod you currently have.
Thanks!
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Mark A supplied the correct crossmember, rebuilt torque tube and rear shifter rod.

Work begins this weekend.
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Originally Posted by Kevin in Atlanta
Mark A supplied the correct crossmember, rebuilt torque tube and rear shifter rod.

Work begins this weekend.
Some pics posted as you move along with swap?
Selfishy, thanks in advance!
Jason
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Originally Posted by Jason89s4
Some pics posted as you move along with swap?
Selfishy, thanks in advance!
Jason
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My luck would be that I'd go to all this effort and find out that rebuilt 05 wasn't very good and ending up needing to rebuild the 03, anyway.


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