Antonio951

Ok i found a 86 red with black interior and only 54K for 11400,
Also a 87 black with black interior and 71K for 8750.

I spoke to the owner of the black 951 and he said he has records back to 92, the timing belt was changed over 5 years ago 45000 miles. He said the waterpump for the turbo(?) was changed but not the main one. He came down from 9500 to 8750. Has had it for 4 years and it is garage keept never tracked. He said everything looks great on the car. He will email me 1meg in pics tonight.

I need to know what kind of questions to ask because im not familiar with the 951's. I know you guys know alot about these cars and if you know what the main things to ask/look for let me know.

I have not talked to the guy that owns the 86 yet. Also whats the difference between the 86 and 87 951?
Thanks for all your help guys.

Antonio

Mighty Shilling

the 87 has the late offset wheels, so you can put more modern, non-porsche wheels on it. Also, the 87 has airbags whereas the 86 did not. I'd say go for the black one. IMHO it seems like a better deal, just because of the price and the fact that it's an 87.

but speek with the owner of the 86 first. IF it has had the timing belts done recently, consider bargaining, but IMHO, that's WAY too much for an 86...Keep in mind, we bought an 88 turbo S with 54K for $14,000.00

tifosiman

Others will chime in with additional advice, but quickly, my opinion:

1. That 87 will need to have the belts and water pump done before it is driven anywhere. Time bomb waiting to happen. Provided that the rest of the car is top notch, that price is not bad for this area of the country. Get a PPI done and consider possibly bargaining him down a little on the price if it checks out OK.

2. That 86 is a little high in price, unless it is really special, unmolested, and immaculate.

You've probably got a very good understanding of the noticable differences: The 86 has early offset, no airbags, one-piece crossover pipe, No ABS, etc. Probably has LSD and a trans cooler, check the codes.

There will be more good advice to follow.............................

icat

With the limited info you have posted I'd say the 87 is the better deal. The difference in mileage doesn't matter in this case as age is the determining factor. Both cars will need belts done unless there is a record of a recent change. The main differences have already been posted, but I will disagree with the assesment of price. If, and only if, the 86 is really a 54k car, and is unmolested, has great original paint, no dings, no rips in the seats or cracks in the dash, etc etc etc, then it is worth every penny of $11k. However - that is likely the top dollar in todays market. ANYTHING the car needs would be deducted from the $11k (including belts). Both cars are worth whatever someone is willing to pay to own them. In my opinion, there is no "blue book" number for a car with limited production (there were approx 7000 86 951's imported into the US and FAR fewer 87's). So, pay what you want and don't get caught up in the "I got a great deal" mode. A great deal on a 951 is the one where the car gets to sit in your garage and provide years of enjoyment.

Antonio951

The black 87 is going to need belts and waterpum, i agree, thats about 1000. If he takes 8K for it ill take it. The red 86, i have not heard from him yet, it is just the way i want it, red with black interior BUT if he does not have records of the belt i will buy it for 10K if he will let it go for that. I just have to wait and see. And i also dont want to jump on one right away because i know if i give it about 2 months of good looking around i will find the one i want. I dont want more then 75K and prefer red but will go with black. Must have good records and no issues with engine, clutch, muffler, brakes, etc.
Explain the late offset wheels on the 87, does it mean i need spacers if i get a 86 951 and want to get say C2's or twist's?

tifosiman

That is correct, unless you buy reproduction wheels that have the spacers cast into the wheel.

The 86 cars have the desirable (IMHO) ability to use 951 Fuchs wheels, while the 87-on cars cannot.

Antonio951

thanks tifo,

Here is the 2 cars.

tifosiman

No prob.

Is that red one a non-sunroof car? If so, I'd be curious as to the other options present on it.

Mighty Shilling

I like em both, but IMHO, there's just something about a black 951 that tickles my fancy

Matt H

They can also use the newer widebody wheels, which are cheap because that is about the only other car they fit.

Sure looks like it. Would be interesting to see the rest of the option sticker.
__________________
Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote

Antonio951

In the description it says that its has a sunroof.

Gator_86_951

Like you have said, you want this 951 to be much like your previous 944 in terms of condition etc.. And I also suppose you aren't going to take the car to the track (at least not for its primary purpose). Check to see how badly worn the turbo is. Many of these cars consume a lot of oil when the turbo seals start to wear. Also, with that low of mileage there probably hasn't been that much engine work done. Even after that period of time you would want to check the heater core valve (rear of motor). If that breaks you are in bad shape. It is good they replaced the turbo water pump, although those can be had in good working order from a parts car. Regular stuff water hoses etc.. The vacuum lines are somewhat more important on the turbo cars (particularly stuff like the wastegate). Don't want to overboost etc... And you don't want a horrible no boost condition.

Suspension on these cars seems to wear around this age. You should check the rebound on the existing shocks. They may need to be replaced. When I got my car they were hosed. Check to see if the car has an LSD. Good option for the turbo car. I can't really think of anything else turbo specific. Everything else is kinda just 944. Hope this helps.

Laust Pedersen

As previously mentioned, get the option codes for both, get history on expensive potential repairs such the clutch and compression (leak-down).
In many owners opinion (and mine) LSD (option 220) is very attractive.

Antonio951

Limited slip locks the axle so that both wheels get the same power, it is good on trucks, does it serve the same purpose on the 951's?

I will look under the hood on the car for any leaks, all the vacuum lines and i will also do a visual check under the car. Now if the turbo is bad, what should i expect paying to have a new one put in at a shop? Assuming i get the turbo myself online.

MM951

Go with what you will LOVE, not can live with