Originally Posted by Scrappy1972

I'd rather have a close ratio PDK than long ratio manual, but that's just me

Originally Posted by GrantG

Fair enough, but they'd have to change the gearing of the GT4's Manual to work with the high redline in any case (so no reason to expect such long gearing, if they made a Manual for this car).

Originally Posted by TRZ06

Your review is in-line with what I thought after watching the GT4 RS Ring video, the car is still all over the place just like the GT4. I have also heard from someone that goes to the same race shop as I do and has driven both the 992 GT3 and GT4 RS on the Ring back to back for a Porsche event give the same view points.

The bottom line is that the GT4 RS STILL has its Cayman complex, just to a lesser degree. The chassis is just old and outdated now and there is only so much you can do with a 4 wheel strut design suspension and outdated PASM active dampers. Slapping on stiffer sidewall tires and a motorsport grade coil-over suspension gets the car much closer to being where a GT product should be, but it still plays second fiddle to a 911 GT3 by quite a margin.

I feel the same about my GT4, even with the upgraded suspension and tires. It is a great back road carver and SMOOTH high speed road car, but its range when you are dealing with real world roads that really work the suspension is limited.

How much you enjoy the car will largely depends on your local road conditions. Savagegeese said as much as well when they did their review video on it and was hooning it around the track, saying that you could tell and feel it was a strut based suspension.

Basically Porsche just put a different motor in the GT4 and made minor tweaks to aero and suspension tuning and called it a day. When you step back and look at it as a whole and not just the GT3 motor, it is a pretty lazy effort elsewhere.

MSRP to MSRP, I would take a base 992 GT3 over a fully optioned GT4 RS without a second thought.

Originally Posted by Archimedes

Ignore TRZ. He cuts and pastes the same GT4 suspension critique/nonsense over and over again in this sub forum. I’ve always found the opinions of professional drivers/racers, and their lap times in the GT4, are more relevant than his drivel.

Originally Posted by FAhmed

LMAO i knew it was a TRZ post without looking at the username

Originally Posted by dnimi123

Says the guy whose dad(?) paid $60k to fix his Spyder!!!!

Originally Posted by Mr. Adair

Yea, that relic of a chassis and old strut suspension car that went 7:04? Do you have a 4RS? Or just the GT4? Or second hand knowledge? That’s quite a disservice to Porsches GT department. And the Journos who have driven just about everything and have called it a once in a generation car. Comparing this car to a 992 GT3 is foolish it's apples and oranges. The 992: Too big, too wide, too polished. Interior no longer looks like a sports car, track car. The 4RS is a modern 997.2 RS. And will be a rarer car forever.

Originally Posted by FAhmed

?? I don't have a spyder

Originally Posted by dnimi123

@JAhmed this guy does. and he paid a lot to fix his spyder! Now who would do that if the car was great to begin with?

Originally Posted by FAhmed

?? I don't have a spyder

Originally Posted by dnimi123

Add me to that list who think GT4 owners (including GT4RS owners) are being tossed scraps when all the real engineering and advancements go into the 911 models. I own a 992CS and its a much better car than the Cayman, PERIOD. The Cayman is more fun but thats because of its design 'flaws' (combined with the mid engine brilliance) - its not a better handling car at all, its just funkier. The GT4 takes a lot of time and money and expertise on the aftermarket to make it handle sufficiently well as to inspire as much confidence as a 911. This is just an undeniable fact between the two models and because you dont agree or see it differently doesnt change these facts. Ill leave you with this - AP said they couldnt fit the GT3 engine in the GT4 all while his engineering department was fitting a GT3 engine in the GT4 - so we know Porsche lies about their cars and we also know the media is in on it because they want access to the cars so they just play the game. If you dont see that the Cayman is an outdated platform that underperforms by design, then there is no hope for you.

Originally Posted by FAhmed

Oh this makes more sense now. Yes my brother has a deman car and it's great. But it would be better with factory reliability and a redline of 9000. But it's also manual which isn't an option for the 4RS...so I guess you just need both

Originally Posted by Archimedes

Actually I got you and TRZ mixed up. Senior moment. My apologies to TRZ.

You’re the one who thinks that they can better Porsche R&D and the opinions of a long list of pro drivers with a credit card and a JC Whitney catalog.

Originally Posted by dnimi123

Not only Deman 4.5 but a quick layover with Joey at Emotion Engineering for some sorely needed suspension work/tuning...!!! The point Im making is that the stock GT4 is just a starting point and not the end all be all. Its a very good sports car, but its not great and needs help to reach its potential that the factory was unwilling to do on this car for the already discussed reasons... The people who like the car stock from the factory is great and fine and all... but they need to be realistic and understand what they actually got for their money and not be blind toadies to the Porsche Gods...