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I think we're mixing two different terms here. Vehicle locked and vehicle fixed are two different things on this timeline so just to clarify for anyone reading this, Vehicle LOCKED is the configuration freeze date where no further changes can be made and has been consistently 30-45 days from start of production. Vehicle FIXED (V250) has consistently been 7 to 14 days from start of production. The build LOCKED on 7/14, but the vehicle was FIXED on 8/24.
Originally Posted by TXshaggy
Where did the 7/14 lock date come from? According to above it happened on 8/24.
Looks like some of your planned and expected did move around as you were straddling the summer break.
Thanks for the data; keep updating as you move through the process. Helps people see what’s happening
Per TYD, my 2023 GT4 build is scheduled to freeze at midnight (9/1) and enter production on 9/23. Hopeful that my production date doesn't get pushed out. I know sometimes TYD just sets placeholder dates (usually on Fridays). Let's see!
How long does it take from the Change Freeze point to the date they actually start production?
it should give you an estimate on the track your dream website. My change freeze was 8/24 and says scheduled to start 9/16 but those dates seem to be pretty dynamic
I think we're mixing two different terms here. Vehicle locked and vehicle fixed are two different things on this timeline so just to clarify for anyone reading this, Vehicle LOCKED is the configuration freeze date where no further changes can be made and has been consistently 30-45 days from start of production. Vehicle FIXED (V250) has consistently been 7 to 14 days from start of production. The build LOCKED on 7/14, but the vehicle was FIXED on 8/24.
Good comment, yes people use fixed freeze and lock interchangeably. Perhaps TYD has different terms.
What I was told by my SA is that V250 Vehicle Fixed is the point at which no vehicle changes could be made.
I received my 2021 Spyder Nov allocation in June of 2020.
On 8/28 I received a call that they had a Sept Spyder allocation drop out and if I wanted to move up to come on down…which I did.
My main concern was getting my build correct, I was assured that it would be as the V250 date was still a couple days away.
Here is my PSVMS screenshot. I jammed my entire build in the system on 8/28. It fixed couple days later and entered production 9 days after fixed.
The way it's been explained to me by my SA and a friend at PCNA who deals with this stuff for a living is V250 means all the required parts and customizations for your build have been accounted for from various suppliers and sequenced for the start of the build process. The FREEZE date does not have a discreet V code, but this is the date that your configuration is final and cannot be changed. My friend at PCNA considers V250 to be the most important date in the process since this is where everything is pretty much locked in from a manufacturing timeline. Once that date hits there shouldn't be any significant changes to the manufacturing dates. Key word, shouldn't. 2022 has proven that anything that can happen, will happen 🤣
Obviously, this is for 2022 so I can't speak to the process during your build time.
Originally Posted by TXshaggy
Good comment, yes people use fixed freeze and lock interchangeably. Perhaps TYD has different terms.
What I was told by my SA is that V250 Vehicle Fixed is the point at which no vehicle changes could be made.
I received my 2021 Spyder Nov allocation in June of 2020.
On 8/28 I received a call that they had a Sept Spyder allocation drop out and if I wanted to move up to come on down…which I did.
My main concern was getting my build correct, I was assured that it would be as the V250 date was still a couple days away.
Here is my PSVMS screenshot. I jammed my entire build in the system on 8/28. It fixed couple days later and entered production 9 days after fixed.
I always thought when someone said their car was locked in terms of build status, they meant it was at V250 which to my understanding means no changes are allowed on the car. I just looked at my build status sheet and the V250 corresponds to showing vehicle fixed which I always thought was used interchangeably with vehicle locked. If vehicle locked and vehicle fixed now mean two different things, that is news to me.
Yes, freeze date and vehicle fixed are two different events. Here's how Porsche describes them:
Change Freeze Point Reached -
V250 - Vehicle Fixed
Originally Posted by halfmonkey
I always thought when someone said their car was locked in terms of build status, they meant it was at V250 which to my understanding means no changes are allowed on the car. I just looked at my build status sheet and the V250 corresponds to showing vehicle fixed which I always thought was used interchangeably with vehicle locked. If vehicle locked and vehicle fixed now mean two different things, that is news to me.
The way it's been explained to me by my SA and a friend at PCNA who deals with this stuff for a living is V250 means all the required parts and customizations for your build have been accounted for from various suppliers and sequenced for the start of the build process. The FREEZE date does not have a discreet V code, but this is the date that your configuration is final and cannot be changed. My friend at PCNA considers V250 to be the most important date in the process since this is where everything is pretty much locked in from a manufacturing timeline. Once that date hits there shouldn't be any significant changes to the manufacturing dates. Key word, shouldn't. 2022 has proven that anything that can happen, will happen 🤣
Obviously, this is for 2022 so I can't speak to the process during your build time.
I really really hope this is true, the part about all the parts being accounted for, fingers crossed on mine! Great info thanks for sharing!
Well, my dealer finally updated me. My car is expected at the dealership on Monday, but they say it takes three to five days after it arrives at the dealer for them to get the title from Porsche Germany. Has anyone ever heard of that?
These dealers are night mares. Don't forget to give them the one finger salute when you see them in the rear view mirror.
I guess V250 just means shippable, not necessarily saleable these days
Will they give you the car? A couple of years ago my last AMG finally arrived at the dealer after sitting in the port for 2 months waiting on EPA certification only to find that the radio didn't work. They had to order a new one from Germany which they said would take a month. I took delivery and drove it till the parts arrived. I figured the engine/exhaust sounds would be music enough for awhile.
I'd be interested to see if Porsche will do this, as I expect I'll could have the same problem with the Bose amp in a couple of months when mine is due to arrive.
I'd think something like Bose they'd be willing to sell if the customer wanted, but there have been times when TPMS modules weren't installed, and of course, those are federally required so they weren't saleable.
Originally Posted by SW6
Will they give you the car? A couple of years ago my last AMG finally arrived at the dealer after sitting in the port for 2 months waiting on EPA certification only to find that the radio didn't work. They had to order a new one from Germany which they said would take a month. I took delivery and drove it till the parts arrived. I figured the engine/exhaust sounds would be music enough for awhile.
I'd be interested to see if Porsche will do this, as I expect I'll could have the same problem with the Bose amp in a couple of months when mine is due to arrive.