Originally Posted by Soul Performance

Hey guys, I understand your feelings on this but I do feel obligated to chime in on behalf of SOUL and myself having worked with Terry and many others in regards to this particular modification. Over the past few years we have on numerous occasions received feedback from customers installing these sound symposer deletes that is positive. Even after driving their cars in all manner of modes, with PSE on and PSE off, they have found benefits to doing this. Yet I know this makes no sense to you and others as the sound symposer can be deactivated just as well as it can be activated. However, just on 10/27 I received a message back from a customer of ours overseas and I quote "Just installed your plugs, 10/10 this should be a must for whoever mods any part of the exhaust!". Do I expect everyone to have that feedback? For sure not, it's far to subjective and I have indeed had others say it didn't make much difference to them. I also know fellows running straight pipes on Boxster/Caymans that say it has no drone, and those who say it makes their head explode haha. But, based off feedback that this sound symposer delete has worked for people we will continue to offer the product to those asking how they can further reduce drone and cabin presence in the car, we'd be remiss if we didn't have the conversation with realistic expectations that it May reduce the drone in cabin depending on the driver and the particular setup they are running, regardless of whether or not it is activated. Weird? Yes, but weirder things have happened and people still don't like the darn thing tubing sound into the interior of the car. I hope this may somewhat ease your reactions to people pursuing this mod, as I can assure you every person I chat with about this does have realistic expectations that it may (or may not) net a reduction on drone based on their specific tolerances, exhaust setup, and various feedback we've received from our customers over the last several years. This also stretches out past the 718 4.0L platform, as deleting the sound symposer is also a common mod on the 991.1 and 991.2 Carrera platform. I hope you guys had a wonderful weekend, and Uncledude it was great catching up with you Friday!

Regards,
John Gaydos

Originally Posted by Avera

Thank you John

Absolutely, user satisfaction varies. However, the point was not whether one would like or dislike the Sound Symposer delete

The point was there is no reason for the Sound Symposer delete if you have no occasion to ever activate Sound Symposer (PSE) to begin with

If a driver wants it quiet with native valve control, why would he ever activate PSE?

If a driver wants it loud and holds valves open with VC, again, no reason to activate PSE.

Avera

Originally Posted by smithsonga

100% agree on subjectivity. With Spyder and race pipes. I’m considering headers to make it more intense lol

Originally Posted by Soul Performance

Hey guys, I understand your feelings on this but I do feel obligated to chime in on behalf of SOUL and myself having worked with Terry and many others in regards to this particular modification. Over the past few years we have on numerous occasions received feedback from customers installing these sound symposer deletes that is positive. Even after driving their cars in all manner of modes, with PSE on and PSE off, they have found benefits to doing this. Yet I know this makes no sense to you and others as the sound symposer can be deactivated just as well as it can be activated. However, just on 10/27 I received a message back from a customer of ours overseas and I quote "Just installed your plugs, 10/10 this should be a must for whoever mods any part of the exhaust!". Do I expect everyone to have that feedback? For sure not, it's far to subjective and I have indeed had others say it didn't make much difference to them. I also know fellows running straight pipes on Boxster/Caymans that say it has no drone, and those who say it makes their head explode haha. But, based off feedback that this sound symposer delete has worked for people we will continue to offer the product to those asking how they can further reduce drone and cabin presence in the car, we'd be remiss if we didn't have the conversation with realistic expectations that it May reduce the drone in cabin depending on the driver and the particular setup they are running, regardless of whether or not it is activated. Weird? Yes, but weirder things have happened and people still don't like the darn thing tubing sound into the interior of the car. I hope this may somewhat ease your reactions to people pursuing this mod, as I can assure you every person I chat with about this does have realistic expectations that it may (or may not) net a reduction on drone based on their specific tolerances, exhaust setup, and various feedback we've received from our customers over the last several years. This also stretches out past the 718 4.0L platform, as deleting the sound symposer is also a common mod on the 991.1 and 991.2 Carrera platform. I hope you guys had a wonderful weekend, and Uncledude it was great catching up with you Friday!

Regards,
John Gaydos

Originally Posted by tigerhonaker

John,

I will only speak for myself as I have been around the Performance car thing since the mid 60's.
I totally realize that all of us do what we think best regardless if even a Super-Close buddy disagrees with what we decide on.

Thanks again for your time the other day and (Useful-Advice) on what I should consider doing.

Seems your reading comments on this Thread frequently.
You did receive my Text-Message and Lengthy E-Mail, right buddy.

Terry

Originally Posted by tigerhonaker

John,

I will only speak for myself as I have been around the Performance car thing since the mid 60's.
I totally realize that all of us do what we think best regardless if even a Super-Close buddy disagrees with what we decide on.

Thanks again for your time the other day and (Useful-Advice) on what I should consider doing.

Seems your reading comments on this Thread frequently.
You did receive my Text-Message and Lengthy E-Mail, right buddy.

Terry

Originally Posted by Soul Performance

Indeed I did, top on my list and running around the shop trying to get that out today

Originally Posted by Soul Performance

Our customers would disagree with you who didn't activate the sound symposer, yet deleted it and found additional benefit to reducing drone. Again, weird but true nonetheless haha.

Regards,
John

Originally Posted by Avera

Yep, the placebo effect is real . . . Just waiting for a YT video with someone saying they deleted their sound symposer in a GT4 and it now sounds like an RS

Avera

Originally Posted by LoodorneGT4

In my opinion resonated pipe is must with any exhaust mod, having flat pipe will cause drone no matter what !!

Originally Posted by LoodorneGT4

Well said @Avera . . . OEM muffler can mute a lot of drones but it sounds like a boat engine...boring and has no characteristic at all in the entire RPM range.