SOUL | 718 GT4/Spyder Exhaust Development
11-04-2022, 01:41 PM
#1441
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2021 Porsche 718 GT4 order for the following SOUL products below ...
Guys,
As of yesterday I got an early Christmas Gift from my wife (Cathy) of plus-39-years.
I was fortunate enough to get to speak to John G. at SOUL Performance.
I currently have the SOUL (Racing) OAP with the 1300-degree ceramic coating installed.
I did do a few videos of what the GT4 sounds like with the above ^^^
https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...l#post18306540
For you guys that already do business with SOUL Performance what I say next you already are well aware of.
John, thank-goodness, knows the SOUL product-line from beginning to end so he provided me with additional information and suggestions.
Something that continues to totally impress me is the overwhelming support SOUL Performance provides from John and the rest of the SOUL Team Members.
They will take the time to totally listen to your concerns and fully explain in great detail what you are after and they {Don't} ... Rush-the-Conversation.
I listened to what he said and followed his advice ..............
The below dedicated thread just helped me immensely in making my final-decision.
UncleDude, Soul Valved Exhaust - GTS Review
https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...l#post17903136
Also I looked at all the YouTube videos that covered the products I am interested in.
In-Fact, I actually watched and listened to a few of them multiple times in my HT (Home Theater), NOT on a cellphone.
And believe me when viewing YouTube videos on a 123" 16x9 Stewart ST130 G4 screen with thousands of watts of available audio,
it's doggone sure DRAMATIC and convincing !!!
Below is a partial Copy & Paste from SOUL Performance and IMHO what it says is Not-an-Exaggeration after listening to the videos I Watched & Listened to.
Below is what my Final-Decision was after the assistance I received from John Gaydos.
I did pre-check for the approximate PON labor cost for the New SOUL Products on my last service visit.
PON confirmed service appointment.
Lastly, my hope is to do three (3) videos after I put something like 500-miles on the GT4 after the New SOUL additions.
That way I'll be sure the New SOUL Valved Exhaust System is Totally-Burned-In.
Terry,
As of yesterday I got an early Christmas Gift from my wife (Cathy) of plus-39-years.
I was fortunate enough to get to speak to John G. at SOUL Performance.
I currently have the SOUL (Racing) OAP with the 1300-degree ceramic coating installed.
I did do a few videos of what the GT4 sounds like with the above ^^^
https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...l#post18306540
For you guys that already do business with SOUL Performance what I say next you already are well aware of.
John, thank-goodness, knows the SOUL product-line from beginning to end so he provided me with additional information and suggestions.
Something that continues to totally impress me is the overwhelming support SOUL Performance provides from John and the rest of the SOUL Team Members.
They will take the time to totally listen to your concerns and fully explain in great detail what you are after and they {Don't} ... Rush-the-Conversation.
I listened to what he said and followed his advice ..............
The below dedicated thread just helped me immensely in making my final-decision.
UncleDude, Soul Valved Exhaust - GTS Review
https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...l#post17903136
Also I looked at all the YouTube videos that covered the products I am interested in.
In-Fact, I actually watched and listened to a few of them multiple times in my HT (Home Theater), NOT on a cellphone.
And believe me when viewing YouTube videos on a 123" 16x9 Stewart ST130 G4 screen with thousands of watts of available audio,
it's doggone sure DRAMATIC and convincing !!!
Below is a partial Copy & Paste from SOUL Performance and IMHO what it says is Not-an-Exaggeration after listening to the videos I Watched & Listened to.
DRIVING IMPRESSIONS
We found that the particulate filters in the over axle pipes put a big damper on the overall sound level and how it carries into the cabin. Think of it like a cork in the middle of the exhaust, letting a PSE muffler replacement tease you but not giving you the full experience. Combining our Valved Exhaust System with our Competition Over Axle Pipes is when the skies open up, the sun shines down and the Porsche Gods have blessed us with the sound we’ve all been waiting for. Inside and outside the car, windows up and down, the experience is nothing short of transformational. At wide open throttle it sounds like a weapons grade symphony. Very reminiscent of a GT3 at 9k, and arguably better than any stock GT3 you’ll ever hear on the street. Ditching the factory over axle pipes finally allows the car to have some burble on deceleration but nothing too over the top, just enough and just right. When you do a hard shift, a visceral crack erupts to really put a smile on your face. Not like a shotgun blast going off, more like a reward for actually driving the car how it’s meant to be driven. The sound is aggressive, but not overly so like you just took an RSR off the track for street shenanigans. When you’re off throttle cruising around, it’s relatively docile and comfortable (that secondary flow path at work). If you want to fly under the radar and significantly cut down on sound level outside the car, you simply close the valves and away you go in stealth mode. However, even with valves closed the tone and character of the exhaust is still there, not dead muted like the PSE muffler. It has cabin presence, some ever so mild drone/resonance in low rpms that we consider quite reasonable compared to the other configurations we’ve tested – even with valves open it’s quite reasonable. We’d almost say it’s more a character of the system and it’d be a shame if there wasn’t any to tease you into squeezing on the gas to hear more of it. We highly recommend installing a SOUL Valve Controller Kit to override the PSE programming at your convenience, and hear what it has to offer under 4-5k rpm in the first few gears – it’s worth it!Below is what my Final-Decision was after the assistance I received from John Gaydos.
I did pre-check for the approximate PON labor cost for the New SOUL Products on my last service visit.
PON confirmed service appointment.
Lastly, my hope is to do three (3) videos after I put something like 500-miles on the GT4 after the New SOUL additions.
That way I'll be sure the New SOUL Valved Exhaust System is Totally-Burned-In.
Terry,
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11-04-2022, 02:57 PM
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11-04-2022, 02:59 PM
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Terry
Hope you enjoy your new rear box
One comment . . . I believe you indicated you have Cargraphic VC? If I am correct, I assume when you want things quiet you resort to factory settings and do not activate the PSE button.
Conversely, when you want things loud, you resort to valves open all the time but, again, do not activate the PSE button given the valves are always open via your VC.
Thus, I see no point in your ever activating the PSE button.
As such, there is no need to install the Sound Symposer delete. With the valves held open all the time via VC, the only remaining function of the PSE button is to activate Sound Symposer. Why 'delete' the sound symposer when it will never be activated to begin with?
Avera
Hope you enjoy your new rear box
One comment . . . I believe you indicated you have Cargraphic VC? If I am correct, I assume when you want things quiet you resort to factory settings and do not activate the PSE button.
Conversely, when you want things loud, you resort to valves open all the time but, again, do not activate the PSE button given the valves are always open via your VC.
Thus, I see no point in your ever activating the PSE button.
As such, there is no need to install the Sound Symposer delete. With the valves held open all the time via VC, the only remaining function of the PSE button is to activate Sound Symposer. Why 'delete' the sound symposer when it will never be activated to begin with?
Avera
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11-04-2022, 05:52 PM
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I would agree with the above regarding the sound symposer especially if they're charging you labour to take apart the engine lid / compartment.
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Avera (11-04-2022)
11-05-2022, 01:28 PM
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My "Apology" Sir I missed part of what you really wanted to know.
Yes, the Windows can be opened either with the Top-Closed or with the Top-Open.
We did some of both ^^^
Terry
Hope you enjoy your new rear box
One comment . . . I believe you indicated you have Cargraphic VC? If I am correct, I assume when you want things quiet you resort to factory settings and do not activate the PSE button.
Conversely, when you want things loud, you resort to valves open all the time but, again, do not activate the PSE button given the valves are always open via your VC.
Thus, I see no point in your ever activating the PSE button.
As such, there is no need to install the Sound Symposer delete. With the valves held open all the time via VC, the only remaining function of the PSE button is to activate Sound Symposer. Why 'delete' the sound symposer when it will never be activated to begin with?
Avera
Hope you enjoy your new rear box
One comment . . . I believe you indicated you have Cargraphic VC? If I am correct, I assume when you want things quiet you resort to factory settings and do not activate the PSE button.
Conversely, when you want things loud, you resort to valves open all the time but, again, do not activate the PSE button given the valves are always open via your VC.
Thus, I see no point in your ever activating the PSE button.
As such, there is no need to install the Sound Symposer delete. With the valves held open all the time via VC, the only remaining function of the PSE button is to activate Sound Symposer. Why 'delete' the sound symposer when it will never be activated to begin with?
Avera
(1) In my case sometimes I will leave Really-really early in the am in the dark when going out of State.
(2) Also sometimes I just don't care for the additional Exhaust-Sound.
So I use the Cargraphics-Valve-Controller to engage the Stock-Automatic-Exhaust Function for both above instances ^^^
Note* I will not be running my GT4 100% of the time with the Exhaust-Valves-Fully-Open.
Here is my opinion on Labor-Cost on the Sound-Symposer.
My GT4 will be at an official Porsche Authorized Dealership.
With the above being said I have No-Doubt there will be a Charge for "Anything" Nick (Shop Foreman) does.
It's just the way things are at a Dealership always some cost to the Customer with Very-very few exceptions IMHO.
I think I should also say regarding the above ^^^ it doesn't bother me in the least in-fact it's expected.
Terry
11-05-2022, 02:28 PM
#1447
Burning Brakes
Avera,
(1) In my case sometimes I will leave Really-really early in the am in the dark when going out of State.
(2) Also sometimes I just don't care for the additional Exhaust-Sound.
So I use the Cargraphics-Valve-Controller to engage the Stock-Automatic-Exhaust Function for both above instances ^^^
Note* I will not be running my GT4 100% of the time with the Exhaust-Valves-Fully-Open.
(1) In my case sometimes I will leave Really-really early in the am in the dark when going out of State.
(2) Also sometimes I just don't care for the additional Exhaust-Sound.
So I use the Cargraphics-Valve-Controller to engage the Stock-Automatic-Exhaust Function for both above instances ^^^
Note* I will not be running my GT4 100% of the time with the Exhaust-Valves-Fully-Open.
I understand . . . when you want it quiet, you want it quiet. So, you will have native valve function activated (via VC) and, if you want it quiet, I see no reason you would ever activate PSE button. . . hence, the Sound Symposer will not be activated
When you want it loud, you will open valves (via VC). Again, you have no need to activate PSE button . . . hence, the Sound Symposer will not be activated.
So, regardless of money associated with Sound Symposer delete, I am trying to suggest you will gain absolutely nothing by having the delete installed.
Of course, completely up to you
Avera
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tigerhonaker (11-06-2022)
11-05-2022, 02:29 PM
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Added full Soul race pipe setup on my Spyder. The sound is awesome. Perfect.
does it drone a bit on the highway? Sure. Do I drive a Prius or Camry? No.
its a Porsche GT car. I want it to sound like it.
does it drone a bit on the highway? Sure. Do I drive a Prius or Camry? No.
its a Porsche GT car. I want it to sound like it.
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11-05-2022, 03:03 PM
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11-05-2022, 03:13 PM
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UncleDude,
Here is my opinion on Labor-Cost on the Sound-Symposer.
My GT4 will be at an official Porsche Authorized Dealership.
With the above being said I have No-Doubt there will be a Charge for "Anything" Nick (Shop Foreman) does.
It's just the way things are at a Dealership always some cost to the Customer with Very-very few exceptions IMHO.
I think I should also say regarding the above ^^^ it doesn't bother me in the least in-fact it's expected.
Terry
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11-05-2022, 04:21 PM
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11-06-2022, 11:41 AM
#1453
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Terry
I understand . . . when you want it quiet, you want it quiet. So, you will have native valve function activated (via VC) and, if you want it quiet, I see no reason you would ever activate PSE button. . . hence, the Sound Symposer will not be activated
When you want it loud, you will open valves (via VC). Again, you have no need to activate PSE button . . . hence, the Sound Symposer will not be activated.
So, regardless of money associated with Sound Symposer delete, I am trying to suggest you will gain absolutely nothing by having the delete installed.
Of course, completely up to you
Avera
I understand . . . when you want it quiet, you want it quiet. So, you will have native valve function activated (via VC) and, if you want it quiet, I see no reason you would ever activate PSE button. . . hence, the Sound Symposer will not be activated
When you want it loud, you will open valves (via VC). Again, you have no need to activate PSE button . . . hence, the Sound Symposer will not be activated.
So, regardless of money associated with Sound Symposer delete, I am trying to suggest you will gain absolutely nothing by having the delete installed.
Of course, completely up to you
Avera
I actually do get what and where your coming from.
Thank-You kind Sir.
Terry you missed my point! Why ask Porsche to open up the engine compartment at all when you can deactivate the sound symposer with a button you already have in your car? IMO deleting this item is a waste of time - but that’s just me. If they were already in there doing something else like the valve controller, I’d understand more.
I gotcha Sir.
Terry
11-07-2022, 11:58 AM
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I understand . . . when you want it quiet, you want it quiet. So, you will have native valve function activated (via VC) and, if you want it quiet, I see no reason you would ever activate PSE button. . . hence, the Sound Symposer will not be activated
When you want it loud, you will open valves (via VC). Again, you have no need to activate PSE button . . . hence, the Sound Symposer will not be activated.
So, regardless of money associated with Sound Symposer delete, I am trying to suggest you will gain absolutely nothing by having the delete installed.
Of course, completely up to you
Avera
I understand . . . when you want it quiet, you want it quiet. So, you will have native valve function activated (via VC) and, if you want it quiet, I see no reason you would ever activate PSE button. . . hence, the Sound Symposer will not be activated
When you want it loud, you will open valves (via VC). Again, you have no need to activate PSE button . . . hence, the Sound Symposer will not be activated.
So, regardless of money associated with Sound Symposer delete, I am trying to suggest you will gain absolutely nothing by having the delete installed.
Of course, completely up to you
Avera
Regards,
John Gaydos
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Quality Exhaust Solutions, Fair Pricing, and Outstanding Service
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Last edited by Soul Performance; 11-07-2022 at 12:00 PM.
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11-07-2022, 12:12 PM
#1455
Burning Brakes
Hey guys, I understand your feelings on this but I do feel obligated to chime in on behalf of SOUL and myself having worked with Terry and many others in regards to this particular modification. Over the past few years we have on numerous occasions received feedback from customers installing these sound symposer deletes that is positive. Even after driving their cars in all manner of modes, with PSE on and PSE off, they have found benefits to doing this. Yet I know this makes no sense to you and others as the sound symposer can be deactivated just as well as it can be activated. However, just on 10/27 I received a message back from a customer of ours overseas and I quote "Just installed your plugs, 10/10 this should be a must for whoever mods any part of the exhaust!". Do I expect everyone to have that feedback? For sure not, it's far to subjective and I have indeed had others say it didn't make much difference to them. I also know fellows running straight pipes on Boxster/Caymans that say it has no drone, and those who say it makes their head explode haha. But, based off feedback that this sound symposer delete has worked for people we will continue to offer the product to those asking how they can further reduce drone and cabin presence in the car, we'd be remiss if we didn't have the conversation with realistic expectations that it May reduce the drone in cabin depending on the driver and the particular setup they are running, regardless of whether or not it is activated. Weird? Yes, but weirder things have happened and people still don't like the darn thing tubing sound into the interior of the car. I hope this may somewhat ease your reactions to people pursuing this mod, as I can assure you every person I chat with about this does have realistic expectations that it may (or may not) net a reduction on drone based on their specific tolerances, exhaust setup, and various feedback we've received from our customers over the last several years. This also stretches out past the 718 4.0L platform, as deleting the sound symposer is also a common mod on the 991.1 and 991.2 Carrera platform. I hope you guys had a wonderful weekend, and Uncledude it was great catching up with you Friday!
Regards,
John Gaydos
Regards,
John Gaydos
Absolutely, user satisfaction varies. However, the point was not whether one would like or dislike the Sound Symposer delete
The point was there is no reason for the Sound Symposer delete if you have no occasion to ever activate Sound Symposer (PSE) to begin with
If a driver wants it quiet with native valve control, why would he ever activate PSE?
If a driver wants it loud and holds valves open with VC, again, no reason to activate PSE.
Avera