Boxster 718 Revealed
#181
I think people that test drive and then buy the 718's will love the 718. Those that own a 981 Spyder already love the 981 Spyder's. The current Boxster owner's may have some thinking to do if they want the latest technology.
#182
Phil, I realize this is all conjecture and hope it comes off as discussion rather than argument because obviously I don't know what's going to happen..... Base model 981's are seen as underpowered by most. When the new base model 718 fixes this, not sure where the demand for the old ones is going to be. The current 981 S models may fare better as they are indeed entertaining. However they will now have to compete against the 718 base. I would rather have a new 718 than a used 981 S. As for the 718 S, not sure I would spend the money for the extra power given how and where I drive.
And yea.. in terms of sound more cylinders are better. Can't say I mind the way boxer 4's sound though.
And yea.. in terms of sound more cylinders are better. Can't say I mind the way boxer 4's sound though.
#183
I do think you'll see base model 981 owners looking to swap for the 718 base. There will also be new buyers like me who may consider the 718 over a BMW M2 or M3. And if the current Porsche cognoscenti eschew 4 cylinders, that will be good for me as it will put the dealer in a position to make a better deal.
The base 718 with the higher torque may now make sense...except l personally would get the S. No such thing as too much hp IMVHO.
#184
Looks are subjective not sure why you would state them like they are a fact. Afaic the differences between the cars are subtle enough where I'd call it a wash. In pictures I like the 981.1 a touch better But I'd have to see the new car in person to make a truly informed opinion
Fact, the 718S will be faster, just about 911S Cab Carrera quick. I believe Porsche did this to entice potential buyers to overlook the turbo 4 engine. And since the 911 and 981 no longer share the same engine Porsche seems to have less of an issue with performance overlap. So yeah I think some people will go for the 718S despite the 4 banger turbo
But there are a lot of People who feel that a flat 6 is the quintessential Porsche engine regardless of performance and a 4 cylinder engine would be a compromise. The 944turbo handily outperformed the 911 but the 911 endured the 944 turbo did not
Bottom line 0-60 performance is not the end all be all of Sports car motoring. Just look at the take rate for an MT which is large enough that Porsche continues to make them. An MT is now .4 secs slower than a PDK in Sport + mode so if ultimate performance was so important why would anyone buy an MT.
Like I said afaic Porsche did what they needed to do to keep the 718 competitive as a sports car. I have no doubt it will be a wonderful Boxster in many ways. But there are specific charms with a NA engine that eludes those with Forced Induction such as a more precise/linear response that for some makes up for absence of all that extra turbo torque.
The way I look at it the 718 is a great car for new buyers and current 981 owners.
For new buyers The 718 gives gets the Boxster even closer to supercar performance numbers.
For current owners the 718 ensures that the 981.1 will likely be the last Boxster to share the iconic Carrera flat 6 engine.
Fact, the 718S will be faster, just about 911S Cab Carrera quick. I believe Porsche did this to entice potential buyers to overlook the turbo 4 engine. And since the 911 and 981 no longer share the same engine Porsche seems to have less of an issue with performance overlap. So yeah I think some people will go for the 718S despite the 4 banger turbo
But there are a lot of People who feel that a flat 6 is the quintessential Porsche engine regardless of performance and a 4 cylinder engine would be a compromise. The 944turbo handily outperformed the 911 but the 911 endured the 944 turbo did not
Bottom line 0-60 performance is not the end all be all of Sports car motoring. Just look at the take rate for an MT which is large enough that Porsche continues to make them. An MT is now .4 secs slower than a PDK in Sport + mode so if ultimate performance was so important why would anyone buy an MT.
Like I said afaic Porsche did what they needed to do to keep the 718 competitive as a sports car. I have no doubt it will be a wonderful Boxster in many ways. But there are specific charms with a NA engine that eludes those with Forced Induction such as a more precise/linear response that for some makes up for absence of all that extra turbo torque.
The way I look at it the 718 is a great car for new buyers and current 981 owners.
For new buyers The 718 gives gets the Boxster even closer to supercar performance numbers.
For current owners the 718 ensures that the 981.1 will likely be the last Boxster to share the iconic Carrera flat 6 engine.
Well,while I think this is about more than trade ups, I do think you will see a lot of owners move into the 718 because its; better looking, much quicker based on the published numbers and offers a whole host of new features. A big part of the market won't give a rats *** about the sound.
#185
Setting aside the looks issue, the new car is a 4 second car! Which means it'll actually test out better than that. That's insane quickness for a little ragtop.
The other thing to not overlook, in addition to all the little upgrades all over the car, is that the car can now be speccd with Sport PASM, which is absolutely awesome in the Carrera. That's a major plus for the 718 over the 981 IMO.
Granted this car may still wind up sucking; maybe has bad lag, sounds like crap, etc. Who knows. But the pictures and specs so far look great. And I thought I was gonna hate this car.
The other thing to not overlook, in addition to all the little upgrades all over the car, is that the car can now be speccd with Sport PASM, which is absolutely awesome in the Carrera. That's a major plus for the 718 over the 981 IMO.
Granted this car may still wind up sucking; maybe has bad lag, sounds like crap, etc. Who knows. But the pictures and specs so far look great. And I thought I was gonna hate this car.
#186
I think both buyers and critics alike will very happy with the new 718 Boxster and Cayman; however, I fear that "special something" will be lost with the new boosted flat 4 motors. Like others have said, the iconic Porsche flat 6 provides a very specific sound and response that I just don't think the 718 will be able to duplicate. My previous car was a CLA45 AMG with the boosted 2.0, 4 cylinder and would argue it's the best boosted 4 on the market, but it lacked the instantaneous throttle response of an NA car and was also inconsistent with its power delivery. I now have a base 2.7 981 w/6spd manual, which is significantly down on power when compared to the CLA45, but the driving experience is on a whole other level, even with the "underpowered" base engine.
Another concern I have will be the performance of the manual transmission with the boosted 718's. Having driving both manual and dual-clutch transmissions on boosted cars, IMHO manual transmissions are not the best fit due to turbo lag. I feel the PDK will be a must have for the new turbo motors.
Another concern I have will be the performance of the manual transmission with the boosted 718's. Having driving both manual and dual-clutch transmissions on boosted cars, IMHO manual transmissions are not the best fit due to turbo lag. I feel the PDK will be a must have for the new turbo motors.
Last edited by chriswd62; 02-03-2016 at 07:40 PM.
#187
Yup, there are a lot of Miata drivers who could embarrass owners of 500 hp cars on a road course. I judged my progress as a driver when I was no longer getting passed by well driven Miatas in my Boxster S.
#189
Miata v. Boxster sure, but RS v Miata? Not likely. There's a limit to that equation. I'd bet that a reasonably average driver in an RS could lap Laguna faster than the Miata lap record. I know I've done it on a 600, and I'm sure I could go faster in an RS than on that bike.
#190
Miata v. Boxster sure, but RS v Miata? Not likely. There's a limit to that equation. I'd bet that a reasonably average driver in an RS could lap Laguna faster than the Miata lap record. I know I've done it on a 600, and I'm sure I could go faster in an RS than on that bike.
#191
I'm up in the air about a small engine turbo. There something you folks at sea level don't think about that us folks at altitude have to deal with. And that is the big power lose we have on an N/A engine. When I drove my 911 to Chicago last year it felt like I just picked up 100 HP, OK it was only 60 or 80 but it felt great.
#192
I'm up in the air about a small engine turbo. There something you folks at sea level don't think about that us folks at altitude have to deal with. And that is the big power lose we have on an N/A engine. When I drove my 911 to Chicago last year it felt like I just picked up 100 HP, OK it was only 60 or 80 but it felt great.
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