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I've had Porsches with and without PVT and chose not to check that box on my current B718SE. IMO, not enough difference to matter unless you are driving very (very) aggressively on the road, or regularly doing autoX or track. YMMV.
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Thank you very much for everybody's great input. Well, I found out PTV is not a true torque-vectoring differential, which means having an electronically-controlled clutch pack at each end of the differential, then the half-shafts coming out of them. It adds quite a bit of heft and complication. And replacing those clutch packs is way more expensive than just brake pads. So in a way, it's better to be a brake-based torque vectoring. Basically we're paying $1,330 for an LSD, but didn't want to regret not having it if I ever need it, so went ahead and added it. Ha ha. Also added body-color headlamp washers, and re-added power steering column, which didn't stay in there. And same thing happened to the other car. Had to try twice more, but it's in there now. Here's my latest build: https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSWIMCW6. So basically the sportiest build possible (PASM, GT wheel, Sport Chrono, 6MT, 20s, dual-tip PSE), while very luxurious too, with almost every leather option + premium package. My only slight concern is the configurator picture does not show the LED headlights, nor the rotary drive mode on the GT wheel. But hope they're there. GM told me my build was having an issue with the wheels, but the code is 'body colored painted wheels', which I did NOT choose, so hope it's not a problem. Also hope the power steering column is not a problem either, since it kept removing itself from there. Will know Monday. He said ETA is late November (freeze date is Wed), so basically the same as the old car. SA on that car is on vacation, so will wait until Monday to let him know I no longer want the car. Thanks again for all the comments and guidance. Always appreciated. Now have the perfect build, although I wasn't crazy about adding 12+ grand to the total
, now $101,165 for a freaking base Cayman. Geez. Oh well. Hope my left hand doesn't refuse to write the check when it comes. Ha ha. Have a great rest of your weekend.
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Thank you very much for everybody's great input. Well, I found out PTV is not a true torque-vectoring differential, which means having an electronically-controlled clutch pack at each end of the differential, then the half-shafts coming out of them. It adds quite a bit of heft and complication. And replacing those clutch packs is way more expensive than just brake pads. So in a way, it's better to be a brake-based torque vectoring. Basically we're paying $1,330 for an LSD, but didn't want to regret not having it if I ever need it, so went ahead and added it. Ha ha. Also added body-color headlamp washers, and re-added power steering column, which didn't stay in there. And same thing happened to the other car. Had to try twice more, but it's in there now. Here's my latest build: https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSWIMCW6. So basically the sportiest build possible (PASM, GT wheel, Sport Chrono, 6MT, 20s, dual-tip PSE), while very luxurious too, with almost every leather option + premium package. My only slight concern is the configurator picture does not show the LED headlights, nor the rotary drive mode on the GT wheel. But hope they're there. GM told me my build was having an issue with the wheels, but the code is 'body colored painted wheels', which I did NOT choose, so hope it's not a problem. Also hope the power steering column is not a problem either, since it kept removing itself from there. Will know Monday. He said ETA is late November (freeze date is Wed), so basically the same as the old car. SA on that car is on vacation, so will wait until Monday to let him know I no longer want the car. Thanks again for all the comments and guidance. Always appreciated. Now have the perfect build, although I wasn't crazy about adding 12+ grand to the total
, now $101,165 for a freaking base Cayman. Geez. Oh well. Hope my left hand doesn't refuse to write the check when it comes. Ha ha. Have a great rest of your weekend.
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Dont rely on the picture to make sure your build is correct. ON mine i ordered the PDLS lights but it shows the base lights on the picture. I took delivery and i 100% have the PDLS lights. Also i cant imagine the GT wheel being that much smaller than the standard wheel. The standard wheel is quite small as is. With the premium package which i got, it comes with the Multifunction steering wheel with heated steering wheel. Sport Chrono is standard on the GTS and so the mode selector dial is automatically added.
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My guess is the GT wheel is about an inch smaller. You can see it 'shrinking' in the configurator. It looks great, plus I like it smaller. On my ex-981 GTS it was kind of big, but want it as small as possible. I could always add the 'power steering plus' programming later, if I wanted to. I had it on the GTS, and it felt too light, so happy not to have it anymore. It should be perfect on the new one.
I'm honestly not happy spending that insane amount of money on a base car, knowing I'll probably lose most of the option money, but I plan to keep it until I can't freaking drive, so the difference should be much less at that time. Ha ha. I'm going to enjoy driving that car a heck of a lot. Ha ha. Just hope nothing happens to my left leg, or right arm, so I don't have to give up driving my dream manual car. Ha ha. I plan to drive it all the way to the dragon next year. It's not going to be a garage queen; that's for sure. Just hope there are no constraints on my car; I'll know Monday. I don't have any 'manufaktur' options, so that should help.
I'm honestly not happy spending that insane amount of money on a base car, knowing I'll probably lose most of the option money, but I plan to keep it until I can't freaking drive, so the difference should be much less at that time. Ha ha. I'm going to enjoy driving that car a heck of a lot. Ha ha. Just hope nothing happens to my left leg, or right arm, so I don't have to give up driving my dream manual car. Ha ha. I plan to drive it all the way to the dragon next year. It's not going to be a garage queen; that's for sure. Just hope there are no constraints on my car; I'll know Monday. I don't have any 'manufaktur' options, so that should help.
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My guess is the GT wheel is about an inch smaller. You can see it 'shrinking' in the configurator. It looks great, plus I like it smaller. On my ex-981 GTS it was kind of big, but want it as small as possible. I could always add the 'power steering plus' programming later, if I wanted to. I had it on the GTS, and it felt too light, so happy not to have it anymore. It should be perfect on the new one.
I'm honestly not happy spending that insane amount of money on a base car, knowing I'll probably lose most of the option money, but I plan to keep it until I can't freaking drive, so the difference should be much less at that time. Ha ha. I'm going to enjoy driving that car a heck of a lot. Ha ha. Just hope nothing happens to my left leg, or right arm, so I don't have to give up driving my dream manual car. Ha ha. I plan to drive it all the way to the dragon next year. It's not going to be a garage queen; that's for sure. Just hope there are no constraints on my car; I'll know Monday. I don't have any 'manufaktur' options, so that should help.
I'm honestly not happy spending that insane amount of money on a base car, knowing I'll probably lose most of the option money, but I plan to keep it until I can't freaking drive, so the difference should be much less at that time. Ha ha. I'm going to enjoy driving that car a heck of a lot. Ha ha. Just hope nothing happens to my left leg, or right arm, so I don't have to give up driving my dream manual car. Ha ha. I plan to drive it all the way to the dragon next year. It's not going to be a garage queen; that's for sure. Just hope there are no constraints on my car; I'll know Monday. I don't have any 'manufaktur' options, so that should help.
The standard steering wheel is 375mm diameter according to the configurator and the GT Sports steering wheel is 360mm, for the non metrics out there 15mm is just about 5/8ths of an inch.
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The step to a GTS from base is $25K+, equally optioned. Not worth it to me. And no way I'd ever consider a stripper GTS vs a fully optioned base. I want my car to feel special, and looking at the cheapo plastic dash would be the opposite. Ha ha. Not to mention all the other luxury and performance amenities I'd be missing from my fully optioned base. And the little 4 banger actually sounds nicer to me below about 5K, where it will be driven the great majority of the time (especially being a turbo, with lots of power down low). But to each his own, of course. Plus I also like how nice I felt driving the slowest Cayman, not feeling the urge to drive fast. Very relaxing experience, enjoying the shifting, and the feel of everything. And I had to look at the rental-car quality plastic on the dash (and everywhere else). So mine will feel even more special to drive. Ha ha.
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The step to a GTS from base is $25K+, equally optioned. Not worth it to me. And no way I'd ever consider a stripper GTS vs a fully optioned base. I want my car to feel special, and looking at the cheapo plastic dash would be the opposite. Ha ha. Not to mention all the other luxury and performance amenities I'd be missing from my fully optioned base. And the little 4 banger actually sounds nicer to me below about 5K, where it will be driven the great majority of the time (especially being a turbo, with lots of power down low). But to each his own, of course. Plus I also like how nice I felt driving the slowest Cayman, not feeling the urge to drive fast. Very relaxing experience, enjoying the shifting, and the feel of everything. And I had to look at the rental-car quality plastic on the dash (and everywhere else). So mine will feel even more special to drive. Ha ha.
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I feel the same way now. I used to be 'never a turbo', but after owning several, and with the current technology that makes turbo lag basically non-existent, they're different beasts now. I honestly wasn't expecting to like the 2.0T, and was going to move on from Porsche, but after driving the 2.0T, I immediately knew it was what I was getting next. And it sounded amazing, starting with the cold start. With all the hate I read, I never expected that. Ha ha. So you have to always give it a try, since we all have different preferences in everything. And the little sucker has all the power I will ever need. I will be driving this car in a relaxed manner, enjoying driving and shifting (proper weighted SS **** on its way) to the max. And the beauty is with a GTS, I know I'd be revving the crap out of it since it's where it sounds the best, and it's just not the kind of driving I want to be doing. The 2.0T sounds the best down low, so no need to wring it out. It really talked to me, if that makes sense. Those H4 'haters' need to drive one before making a judgment. They sound and drive awesome.
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I feel the same way now. I used to be 'never a turbo', but after owning several, and with the current technology that makes turbo lag basically non-existent, they're different beasts now. I honestly wasn't expecting to like the 2.0T, and was going to move on from Porsche, but after driving the 2.0T, I immediately knew it was what I was getting next. And it sounded amazing, starting with the cold start. With all the hate I read, I never expected that. Ha ha. So you have to always give it a try, since we all have different preferences in everything. And the little sucker has all the power I will ever need. I will be driving this car in a relaxed manner, enjoying driving and shifting (proper weighted SS **** on its way) to the max. And the beauty is with a GTS, I know I'd be revving the crap out of it since it's where it sounds the best, and it's just not the kind of driving I want to be doing. The 2.0T sounds the best down low, so no need to wring it out. It really talked to me, if that makes sense. Those H4 'haters' need to drive one before making a judgment. They sound and drive awesome.
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Thank you very much for everybody's great input. Well, I found out PTV is not a true torque-vectoring differential, which means having an electronically-controlled clutch pack at each end of the differential, then the half-shafts coming out of them. It adds quite a bit of heft and complication. And replacing those clutch packs is way more expensive than just brake pads. So in a way, it's better to be a brake-based torque vectoring.
It sounds like you are saying the PTV option doesn't change the centre differential, it is an add-on that affects only the rear brakes. To me, PTV would be an inexpensive upgrade with no performance downside if you're a gentle driver, as it will also guarantee better traction in slippery road conditions, not just at 10/10ths track driving.
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The step to a GTS from base is $25K+, equally optioned. Not worth it to me. And no way I'd ever consider a stripper GTS vs a fully optioned base. I want my car to feel special, and looking at the cheapo plastic dash would be the opposite. Ha ha. Not to mention all the other luxury and performance amenities I'd be missing from my fully optioned base. And the little 4 banger actually sounds nicer to me below about 5K, where it will be driven the great majority of the time (especially being a turbo, with lots of power down low). But to each his own, of course. Plus I also like how nice I felt driving the slowest Cayman, not feeling the urge to drive fast. Very relaxing experience, enjoying the shifting, and the feel of everything. And I had to look at the rental-car quality plastic on the dash (and everywhere else). So mine will feel even more special to drive. Ha ha.
But seriously, I agree with you about the leather interior. It is a classy upgrade. I am only saddened that Porsche has discontinued the leather interiors colors that I would have wanted.
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