PCNA sample letter -North American Supercharger access…
10-20-2023, 11:25 AM
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bump - BMW is now onboard - time for card's and letters folks - VW/Porsche seem to be in denial on this issue.
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10-20-2023, 07:39 PM
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10-24-2023, 12:10 AM
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Agree. Porsche needs to admit that their mistake and offer supercharger access to their customers. I would already own a Taycan if it wasn’t for the terrible charging options.
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10-24-2023, 12:23 PM
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Totally. Reality is on most Porsches, the options are worth $0 in aftermarket. I had a 991S with an MSRP of nearly $170k i got for $70k IIRC, it had 20k miles on it, beautiful car LOADED (Power kit, natural leather, carbon brakes, etc). On the GT/RS cars, WP, PTS, buckets, manual trans, maybe carbon brakes add a bit sometimes, but not much.
Let’s see, my CT had base MSRP of what, 98k? It had a spec’s MSRP of 118k. Uncle same gave me 7.5k. So net (before tax) 111k. So 18mo and 10k miles later… maybe it’s worth 100k? I dunno…
Let’s see, my CT had base MSRP of what, 98k? It had a spec’s MSRP of 118k. Uncle same gave me 7.5k. So net (before tax) 111k. So 18mo and 10k miles later… maybe it’s worth 100k? I dunno…
10-25-2023, 06:37 AM
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the future replacement for my 2021 Cayenne TurboS eHybrid is going to be a suitable/appropriate full BEV SUV - until all this news broke I was assuming I would be patiently wait and ultimately purchase the Cayenne BEV porsche has discussed/hinted about (not the 7 seater and the not the Macan EV) - but if Porsche drags their feet on this too long I'm pretty sure BMW will be more aggressive on this front and more tech-forward - and X5'ish full BEV SUV with decent feature set and a NACS port native w/Supercharger access (NACS native or adapter I don't care) and I'm voting with my $$$ and moving brands…
my money is available for any of the german's that "read the room" on this issue and push to gain me access to the supercharger network in North America…I'll humbly suggest I'm not alone on this front as a very experienced EV customer - and I truly pity any Porsche sale person attempting to explain to soccer mom's Porsche's position on the Macan EV in 2024 if Porsche does not have a response/road-map…
and since doing EV's since 2012 and talking to friends, familiy, aquaintances and co-workers fast charging network access is a highly visible aspect of their EV purchase migration and they are aware of it - it's not some tech-wonky thing -they are deeply concerned and value access to a functional network with good standards and access...silence in this space will lead to two results: 1. not moving to an EV at all 2. going with the vendors who are proactively engaged on this topic.
I was also "all in" on a future post face lifted .2 Taycan CT (GTS or Turbo I'm waffling) MY'25/26 - but now I'm thinking I'm on hold on that plan pending engagement from Porsche on this topic - Silence is not golden for me personally on this topic and it will influence my future purchasing decisions - but may simply be I choose to remain satisfied with the status quo of my 2020 Taycan Turbo longer than I was orginally planning - I'm not defecting back to Tesla - but future purchases will take this development into consideration…I can't believe I'm the only potential Porsche customer with that perspective.
keeping what I currently own easy and plausible - but I'm certainly not spending "new money" on any EV product with out an explicit response in this space - even a formal "we're doing nothing" explicit response may be acceptable for "new money" purchased because then I can make an informed decision about my purchase…but a non-response will give me pause about writing a check - it smells of lack of engagement and deer in headlights about things they don't want to understand or engage on.
my money is available for any of the german's that "read the room" on this issue and push to gain me access to the supercharger network in North America…I'll humbly suggest I'm not alone on this front as a very experienced EV customer - and I truly pity any Porsche sale person attempting to explain to soccer mom's Porsche's position on the Macan EV in 2024 if Porsche does not have a response/road-map…
and since doing EV's since 2012 and talking to friends, familiy, aquaintances and co-workers fast charging network access is a highly visible aspect of their EV purchase migration and they are aware of it - it's not some tech-wonky thing -they are deeply concerned and value access to a functional network with good standards and access...silence in this space will lead to two results: 1. not moving to an EV at all 2. going with the vendors who are proactively engaged on this topic.
I was also "all in" on a future post face lifted .2 Taycan CT (GTS or Turbo I'm waffling) MY'25/26 - but now I'm thinking I'm on hold on that plan pending engagement from Porsche on this topic - Silence is not golden for me personally on this topic and it will influence my future purchasing decisions - but may simply be I choose to remain satisfied with the status quo of my 2020 Taycan Turbo longer than I was orginally planning - I'm not defecting back to Tesla - but future purchases will take this development into consideration…I can't believe I'm the only potential Porsche customer with that perspective.
keeping what I currently own easy and plausible - but I'm certainly not spending "new money" on any EV product with out an explicit response in this space - even a formal "we're doing nothing" explicit response may be acceptable for "new money" purchased because then I can make an informed decision about my purchase…but a non-response will give me pause about writing a check - it smells of lack of engagement and deer in headlights about things they don't want to understand or engage on.
BMW is not a panacea but their tech is better than Porsche's (phone as a key, and software that doesn't suck) and their EV's are fast, quiet (or not), and comfortable - it's a more funcitonal EV with supercharger access than VW/Audi/Porsche make - so it's plausible I could be happy in a BMW and keep my gas powered 911's but move on from Porsche for my EV's.
Porsche will not get any of my EV business if they don't have supercharger access in North America - it's as simple as that.
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10-25-2023, 11:59 AM
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BMW is now onboard - I drove their EV's last week - they didn't screw them up - not enough time for a real review, but I was left favorably impressed with the BMW EV offerings - with Supercharger access in 2025 according to bMW press releases - my Cayenne's extended warranty runs out in 2027 - this gives Porsche plenty of time to "read the room" - my Taycan is a slightly more urgent matter - with a replacement on the table for a 2025 calendar year…
BMW is not a panacea but their tech is better than Porsche's (phone as a key, and software that doesn't suck) and their EV's are fast, quiet (or not), and comfortable - it's a more funcitonal EV with supercharger access than VW/Audi/Porsche make - so it's plausible I could be happy in a BMW and keep my gas powered 911's but move on from Porsche for my EV's.
Porsche will not get any of my EV business if they don't have supercharger access in North America - it's as simple as that.
BMW is not a panacea but their tech is better than Porsche's (phone as a key, and software that doesn't suck) and their EV's are fast, quiet (or not), and comfortable - it's a more funcitonal EV with supercharger access than VW/Audi/Porsche make - so it's plausible I could be happy in a BMW and keep my gas powered 911's but move on from Porsche for my EV's.
Porsche will not get any of my EV business if they don't have supercharger access in North America - it's as simple as that.
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10-25-2023, 01:18 PM
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That was a point in time statement
Personally I don't give a **** about depreciation and I never have, I buy and drive the cars I want to drive. "ROI" with cars has never been part of my mindset.
11-01-2023, 07:33 PM
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Subaru has just adopted NACS.
Not that they are a big player, but it just adds to the pile.
Not that they are a big player, but it just adds to the pile.
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11-02-2023, 09:37 PM
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math says the optimal difference between 270 kW and 150 kW charging is 6-8 min total charge time - noise in my opinion in a 30 min charging session
the reason is because of the taper curve - the Taycan can only charge above a 150 kW charge rate for SOC levels below approximately 50% SOC after 50% SOC it's all at or below 150 kW after the 50% SOC mark anyways…so you only benefit from the higher charge rate for about 40% of the SOC - the remaining 50% is at or below 150kW anyways…
I never shy away from a solid/reliable/steady 150 kW - it's easy on the battery and honestly given the overall overhead of a charging stop really doesn't change things all that significantly…once I've pulled off the road and gotten out of the car the difference between a 22 minute stop and a 28 minute stop is kinda not a big deal - and that's the worse case difference between 270 kW vs. 150 kW charging session.
my $0.02
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11-06-2023, 06:48 PM
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a solid/reliable 150 kW is actually quite awesome - and really honestly very very fast in terms of getting to 90% SOC
math says the optimal difference between 270 kW and 150 kW charging is 6-8 min total charge time - noise in my opinion in a 30 min charging session
the reason is because of the taper curve - the Taycan can only charge above a 150 kW charge rate for SOC levels below approximately 50% SOC after 50% SOC it's all at or below 150 kW after the 50% SOC mark anyways…so you only benefit from the higher charge rate for about 40% of the SOC - the remaining 50% is at or below 150kW anyways…
I never shy away from a solid/reliable/steady 150 kW - it's easy on the battery and honestly given the overall overhead of a charging stop really doesn't change things all that significantly…once I've pulled off the road and gotten out of the car the difference between a 22 minute stop and a 28 minute stop is kinda not a big deal - and that's the worse case difference between 270 kW vs. 150 kW charging session.
my $0.02
math says the optimal difference between 270 kW and 150 kW charging is 6-8 min total charge time - noise in my opinion in a 30 min charging session
the reason is because of the taper curve - the Taycan can only charge above a 150 kW charge rate for SOC levels below approximately 50% SOC after 50% SOC it's all at or below 150 kW after the 50% SOC mark anyways…so you only benefit from the higher charge rate for about 40% of the SOC - the remaining 50% is at or below 150kW anyways…
I never shy away from a solid/reliable/steady 150 kW - it's easy on the battery and honestly given the overall overhead of a charging stop really doesn't change things all that significantly…once I've pulled off the road and gotten out of the car the difference between a 22 minute stop and a 28 minute stop is kinda not a big deal - and that's the worse case difference between 270 kW vs. 150 kW charging session.
my $0.02
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301978919.html
good thing the Macan EV thing is going so well and they have that eFuel thing to fall back on … maybe they are focusing on Porting their Porsche App to blackberry phones to address the core 911 customer base - they seem to be a bit flat footed when it comes to all things digital…world is going to pass you by if you think what you did yesterday is good enough.
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11-07-2023, 02:30 AM
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11-07-2023, 11:13 AM
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Cuz, y'know, bold vision.