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06-19-2023, 04:48 PM
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To all folks frustrated by EA, just add, like me, your voice here for the coming class action against them :
https://www.sauderschelkopf.com/inve...investigation/
I do agree it is a great car overall and good for commute and charging at home. A somewhat disaster for medium to long drives in the US because of EA. That is just sad.
https://www.sauderschelkopf.com/inve...investigation/
I do agree it is a great car overall and good for commute and charging at home. A somewhat disaster for medium to long drives in the US because of EA. That is just sad.
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06-19-2023, 04:50 PM
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As said many times, EA ≈ VW Porsche. EA is part of Diesel gate settlement.
"Hopefully tesla would buy up the spaces and convert them to super chargers"
If the implication there is openings superchargers for Taycan, I can't see Tesla doing hara-kiri.
Tesla has promised (Elon has promised many things) opening up superchargers to GM and Ford. For a boatload of cash.
Porsche yet stuck with "911 hoopla"
"Hopefully tesla would buy up the spaces and convert them to super chargers"
If the implication there is openings superchargers for Taycan, I can't see Tesla doing hara-kiri.
Tesla has promised (Elon has promised many things) opening up superchargers to GM and Ford. For a boatload of cash.
Porsche yet stuck with "911 hoopla"
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06-19-2023, 04:52 PM
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And this drop is across the board of all Taycan with the potential exception for now on the CT model. But CT will be impacted too.
It impacts other brands also. Some Porsche dealers are in the red because of crappy deals they did with trading in some Tesla ... they were kinda so stupid to do that initially ... lol
The pill would have been easier to swallow if I was able to recoup that depreciation with the 3y free BS charging from EA and if I was able to use my car for medium to long trips. But it is not...
That's why I am quitting the Taycan, even if I have a beautiful GTS on order arriving soon, and going back to a 2023 Carrera T. Basically my Taycan deal has melted all my equity in my previous 2019 Carrera T ... really frustrating,
It impacts other brands also. Some Porsche dealers are in the red because of crappy deals they did with trading in some Tesla ... they were kinda so stupid to do that initially ... lol
The pill would have been easier to swallow if I was able to recoup that depreciation with the 3y free BS charging from EA and if I was able to use my car for medium to long trips. But it is not...
That's why I am quitting the Taycan, even if I have a beautiful GTS on order arriving soon, and going back to a 2023 Carrera T. Basically my Taycan deal has melted all my equity in my previous 2019 Carrera T ... really frustrating,
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06-19-2023, 04:58 PM
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Man, this is time for action ... no more time for wondering what to do. This is seriously overdue. We should not be going after the money (that can be debatable because the free charging as indeed a real dollar value), but instead to push for drastic changes.
Actually the sooner EA and CCS will die, the better it will be. And so be it. And yes, as a disclaimer, I don't like Musk and Tesla and all their BS too.
Actually the sooner EA and CCS will die, the better it will be. And so be it. And yes, as a disclaimer, I don't like Musk and Tesla and all their BS too.
this is a difficult call for me personally - do I hate class action lawyers (and the idea of class action law suites where the lawyers make millions and the actual victims get a $0.57 coupon they are allowed to use on alternate tuesdays) or EA more? I really really really hate EA - so it's kinda of a toss up as to what to do here…
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06-19-2023, 05:08 PM
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this is a difficult call for me personally - do I hate class action lawyers (and the idea of class action law suites where the lawyers make millions and the actual victims get a $0.57 coupon they are allowed to use on alternate tuesdays) or EA more? I really really really hate EA - so it's kinda of a toss up as to what to do here…
06-19-2023, 05:14 PM
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Disclaimer: I am no fan of class action attorneys.
06-19-2023, 06:25 PM
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06-20-2023, 03:42 AM
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As a matter of fact CharIN is all in with NACS now :
https://insideevs.com/news/671709/ch...andardization/
https://insideevs.com/news/671709/ch...andardization/
06-20-2023, 11:38 AM
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06-22-2023, 10:11 AM
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great artist steal - as I suspected all along, what we're talking about here is ditching the CCS1 _PHYSICAL_ connector, but keeping the CCS electrical standard…
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ccs-v...l-félix-amyot/
you can run CCS electrically over NACS - so there is only minor complexity in using NACS instead of CCS1 as a native port on a vehicle…and adapters are trivial because they are simple passthrough device (no active signal transformation or emulation required)
there is no reason for VW/Audi/Porsche to jump on this bandwagon - the CCS1 design is terrible, fragile, and unreliable - NACS is a much better design and should win…
https://electrek.co/2023/06/05/tesla...ccs-coalition/
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ccs-v...l-félix-amyot/
you can run CCS electrically over NACS - so there is only minor complexity in using NACS instead of CCS1 as a native port on a vehicle…and adapters are trivial because they are simple passthrough device (no active signal transformation or emulation required)
there is no reason for VW/Audi/Porsche to jump on this bandwagon - the CCS1 design is terrible, fragile, and unreliable - NACS is a much better design and should win…
https://electrek.co/2023/06/05/tesla...ccs-coalition/
When it comes to the charge connector itself, there’s no doubt that they lost the battle. It is almost comical how bad the design of the CCS connector is compared to Tesla’s:
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06-22-2023, 08:44 PM
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LOL ... I do have proof and .... indeed prices are actually dropping like a stone !
My late 2021 MY Taycan 4S with great options was paid before tax $140k as low mileage CPO (2400mi ish) mid October 2022. I recently was offered anywhere between $70k ish up to $99k. So a depreciation of $41k up to $70k in only 8 freaking months ...
The used cars sales manager of my fav dealership confirmed me that too and said that the Taycan depreciation is at the moment way worse than the Panamera ...
My late 2021 MY Taycan 4S with great options was paid before tax $140k as low mileage CPO (2400mi ish) mid October 2022. I recently was offered anywhere between $70k ish up to $99k. So a depreciation of $41k up to $70k in only 8 freaking months ...
The used cars sales manager of my fav dealership confirmed me that too and said that the Taycan depreciation is at the moment way worse than the Panamera ...
06-22-2023, 11:16 PM
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Totally. Reality is on most Porsches, the options are worth $0 in aftermarket. I had a 991S with an MSRP of nearly $170k i got for $70k IIRC, it had 20k miles on it, beautiful car LOADED (Power kit, natural leather, carbon brakes, etc). On the GT/RS cars, WP, PTS, buckets, manual trans, maybe carbon brakes add a bit sometimes, but not much.
Let’s see, my CT had base MSRP of what, 98k? It had a spec’s MSRP of 118k. Uncle same gave me 7.5k. So net (before tax) 111k. So 18mo and 10k miles later… maybe it’s worth 100k? I dunno…
Big German sedans have NEVER held their values!
Let’s see, my CT had base MSRP of what, 98k? It had a spec’s MSRP of 118k. Uncle same gave me 7.5k. So net (before tax) 111k. So 18mo and 10k miles later… maybe it’s worth 100k? I dunno…
Big German sedans have NEVER held their values!
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06-24-2023, 02:01 PM
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ouch, those price drops on the Taycan are brutal! I must admit it is another reason for me to avoid a taycan.
I'm still rocking my 2019 Tesla Model 3 performance (with MPP coilovers) as my daily driver and this BEV has lost only 20K of value after 4 years of driving it for 55,000 miles. Meanwhile my 2018 991.2 GT3 weekend car is still worth the same or a bit more than I paid for it, new.
Obviously the GT3 is in its own category of a special NA car. But the point I'm getting at is that I"m reluctant to spend six figures on an electric car that is out of date two years later with the depreciation to match. This intense depreciation will continue to be an issue for six figure luxury electric cars.
I hope to swap my Tesla M3P for an EV 718 in a couple years, but I also wonder about the depreciation of that electric car.......
I'm still rocking my 2019 Tesla Model 3 performance (with MPP coilovers) as my daily driver and this BEV has lost only 20K of value after 4 years of driving it for 55,000 miles. Meanwhile my 2018 991.2 GT3 weekend car is still worth the same or a bit more than I paid for it, new.
Obviously the GT3 is in its own category of a special NA car. But the point I'm getting at is that I"m reluctant to spend six figures on an electric car that is out of date two years later with the depreciation to match. This intense depreciation will continue to be an issue for six figure luxury electric cars.
I hope to swap my Tesla M3P for an EV 718 in a couple years, but I also wonder about the depreciation of that electric car.......
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