I may have been wrong about the Taycan
11-11-2021, 04:27 PM
#151
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Today - I woke up and decided to go on a spontaneous 2,000 mile road trip - the first time in my whole life I was going to do such a thing. but as I was about to get in the car, I spontaneously decided it wasn't a good idea as I hadn't told my wife or my kids or the office or my doctor, so I spontaneously went to Starbucks instead and came home with a Latte before she woke up. I was just thinking that if I had my Taycan - I wouldnt have been able to do the trip very conveniently anyways. Phew - close call - All's well that ends well. Just had to share.
11-11-2021, 06:01 PM
#152
I think that there was a little tongue in cheek regarding the notion of spontaneous 2000 mile trips.
My comment is, this would be a good reason to have a carbon tax. If people had to pay for the carbon differential of an ICE vs a BEV then they might feel like they were getting something for the time spent charging.
My comment is, this would be a good reason to have a carbon tax. If people had to pay for the carbon differential of an ICE vs a BEV then they might feel like they were getting something for the time spent charging.
11-11-2021, 09:37 PM
#153
I think that there was a little tongue in cheek regarding the notion of spontaneous 2000 mile trips.
My comment is, this would be a good reason to have a carbon tax. If people had to pay for the carbon differential of an ICE vs a BEV then they might feel like they were getting something for the time spent charging.
My comment is, this would be a good reason to have a carbon tax. If people had to pay for the carbon differential of an ICE vs a BEV then they might feel like they were getting something for the time spent charging.
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11-12-2021, 12:14 AM
#154
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I think that there was a little tongue in cheek regarding the notion of spontaneous 2000 mile trips.
My comment is, this would be a good reason to have a carbon tax. If people had to pay for the carbon differential of an ICE vs a BEV then they might feel like they were getting something for the time spent charging.
My comment is, this would be a good reason to have a carbon tax. If people had to pay for the carbon differential of an ICE vs a BEV then they might feel like they were getting something for the time spent charging.
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flygdchman (11-12-2021)
11-12-2021, 11:16 AM
#155
11-12-2021, 11:18 AM
#156
That is a great idea. Calculate all the carbon emission from beginning to the end however. First pay the carbon tax when new for the carbon emission during the build process, from mining raw material all the way to how much carbon is emitted at the factory. Then a yearly carbon tax on yearly emissions, for gasoline car, that's the localized emission, for EVs, that's from the power plant supplying the electricity. If the electricity is from a wind farm or solar, then no tax, but if it's from a coal plant or natural gas plant, then there is a tax.
11-12-2021, 07:44 PM
#158
11-14-2021, 01:31 PM
#159
I agree we should pay the true costs for each technology. In addition the the carbon removal tax we can add a battery material remediation fee.
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11-14-2021, 04:21 PM
#160
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Batteries can be recycled. Not as easy as recovering lead from the lead-acid batteries we are all used to. But the metals like nickel and cobalt are simply too valuable to throw in a landfill. Elon calls them "high grade ore". (See J.B. Straubels Redwood Materials for an example of a company that is doing it now.)
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11-14-2021, 06:19 PM
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there is no free lunch here - but let's not assume batteries are actually worse than deep sea oil extraction or other heavy handed extraction techniques…
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11-14-2021, 08:25 PM
#162
Batteries can be recycled. Not as easy as recovering lead from the lead-acid batteries we are all used to. But the metals like nickel and cobalt are simply too valuable to throw in a landfill. Elon calls them "high grade ore". (See J.B. Straubels Redwood Materials for an example of a company that is doing it now.)
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gnop1950 (11-14-2021)
11-14-2021, 08:40 PM
#163
Plus Porsche seems to be setting up processes to reuse/recycle batteries in addition to individual cells being replaceable. All in all my take is it is at least better than using fossil fuels. I'm also assuming that battery improvements will be pretty much constant, both efficiency and recycling, as EVs become the norm.
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