Aka, the naive ones, devoid of any mental capacity, right?

 

 

Tesla may have gotten the electric car acceptance off the ground, but the rest of the auto manufacturers are going to be the ones that carry the ball over the finish line.

The Tesla threat is so great that hundreds of billions are being spent by the other auto manufacturers to catch up with (and soon eclipse) Tesla's technology.

As consumers, we are the direct beneficiaries of this threat. We win through cleaner air, water, a reduced C02 footprint and the savings of billions of gallons of fuel for future generations.

Last but not least, these cars are and will be a blast to drive!

 

No, average Joe as in those without a real dog in the fight.

If you were born in Bakersfield California your high school's football team was named "The Bakersfield Drillers". Many of the guys you know spent time working the oil patch, and the best paying jobs for hours in any direction are all oil related. As the price of oil goes so goes the local economy, and you may well be a lifer at Chevron with little other experience and a family who's depending on you. Asking you to fully support a transition from fossil fuels isn't a sacrifice, it's asking you to be the first guy off the Higgins boat when the ramp comes down on D-day. I'm not going to ask that precisely because I know you're not naive.

The average person i.e. "average Joe" in the country is not in that situation at all. If anything they're the ones back home with much less to lose, and I'd ask them to support others in the fight (including the guy above) who could really use their help.

 

Totally agree with that!

 

Agree with your points but I think that Tesla has a bigger lead than people realize. Look at what's come out recently. ETron, which is struggling to get to market, and has a 92 kWh battery and the thing only has an EPA rated 205 miles of range. That's NOT good. The iPace is not doing well. And the Supercharger network still has a HUGE lead over Electrify America.

Elon needs to get his head out of his ***, his fingers off the twitter keyboard, and figure out how to streamline production to increase profits, and they will be a force to recon with for a while. Right now they are a bit of a sh!tshow and if not careful, the automakers will catch up sooner than they should.

But for now, I still see a lot of startups and "coming soons" and not a lot of comparable cars on the ground. Will be interesting to see how the Polestar 2 does, as Volvo has an eco-brand cachet with their buyers already. And they have lots and lots of Chinese money backing them.

 

New Piech Mark Zero: 80% charge in under 5 minutes

https://www.evo.co.uk/news/22633/new...nder-5-minutes

 

nice!

 

Thanks for the great wirte up Petevb. Tesla still is the only company that could induce the average Joe to get on the bandwagen purely from the car's price and performance point of view. Its base model is about the same as medium selling price of new cars in the US but has no shame comparing to any cars even at higher prices. Porsche, Audi or Jaguar? Not so much. Nissan, GM or Hyundai? The same even that they are more affordable. No matter how the company ends up, which I think it will do just fine if you ignore all those noises, that's a company at least worthy of our moral support.

 

Hard to give moral support to a person who calls others pedo, lies in public, cooks the books etc. But in general yes. I'm fully supporting all the ZEV cars. Happy for Rivian and for all the other EVs, looking forward to the Taycan.

 

Hate so much? Was this post below meant for you?
I think that guy Elon Musk is a genius. Genius acts different than you and I but the bottom line is he really wants to contribute to humanity. As to "lies in public" etc. I'm not sure what do you mean although if you really want to go into it I find Rivian is much less believable in what it says. Not to mention VW/Porsche had done some truely terrible things. Let's keep these self serving attacks out of it will you?

 

It is funny how Tesla is suppose to be doomed, yet another big car maker Mercedes-Benz already is limiting how much BEVs it will make.

It is not enough to be big, it is not enough to have a long history - You still need to make cars to sell them. Taycan may be expensive, but I hope they do not limit how much they try to sell.

Earl Colby Pottinger (Tesla, Bollinger, Rivian and other BEVs fan)

 

So much for Tesla's being one trick ponies that are only good at drag races:

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...reet-car-race/

Model 3 Performance finished first in class in 2019 One Lap of America, and 17th overall out of 77 cars.

Also, it looks to have averaged 391 wh/mile during the event, including 18 timed track events. Not too shabby.

 

Remember someone suggesting buying the 200 Tesla PUTs toward the end of last year? Recent stock price dipped to a low below 190 this week.
Some investment firms forecast lows below 100, given weak demand for the M3.

Sidebar:

There was a need in the early 2000s in search of a product, i.e. a mobile device that could not only provide cell communications, but also
internet access, a camera, and music storage. The product that fulfilled that need was the iPhone. Presently, the EV is a product in search
of a need. The majority of consumers presently don't perceive any great need that an EV can provide versus an ICEV. Given that,
the sales growth of EVs will not significantly displace sales of ICEVs in the near term.

 

If one actually owns and uses an EV, one can appreciate the benefits and satisfactions of EVs that may not be apparent to bench racers.

I find that the 3-way combination of 1) high "fuel" economy, 2) high USA-specific street performance, and 3) the luxury of never stopping at a gas station again to all be quite attractive.

Once experienced, these benefits morph into needs. Who needs a Porsche? Do Porsches sell well? When I answer questions about our EVs, word-of-mouth spreads the concepts that then become needs to others.

No different from flip-phone users wondering about why I have one of those complicated, hard to adapt smartphones.