I hope Porsche realizes that price is gonna sell these cars
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Audi has just took wraps off the E-Tron. A huge disappointment there. Compares to a 3 year old Model X it seats less, has lower range and efficiency and way inferior acceleration. Hard to say it's because VWG does not have the will or means but it's just not too promising for EV coming out of there in the near future imo.
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Audi has just took wraps off the E-Tron. A huge disappointment there. Compares to a 3 year old Model X it seats less, has lower range and efficiency and way inferior acceleration. Hard to say it's because VWG does not have the will or means but it's just not too promising for EV coming out of there in the near future imo.
The meb chassis is the one to wait for. I saw it in the VW showroom in Berlin along with a mid sized VW suv called I.D. Crozz which looked to be more on par with what most would expect from a modern EV. They are saying 300 miles from 83 kWh batteries which would be outstanding. They are also saying production in 2020. The meb platform is flexible enough to make for some very cool designs.
I salute VW for pledging to phase out ICEs over the next ten years. The future looks very bright indeed! Not surprising to me as an engineer - once one sees the potential of the modern EVs, it’s really hard to get excited about further developing reciprocating engines.
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Porsche’s EV honcho just confirmed to Norwegian deposit holders that only the highest priced Taycan variants will be offered first. This implies that the $85,000 Taycan is as much “vaporware” as the $35,000 Model 3. So, now the question becomes “How much are you willing to pay for a four door sedan with a 90 kWh battery?”
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Porsche’s EV honcho just confirmed to Norwegian deposit holders that only the highest priced Taycan variants will be offered first. This implies that the $85,000 Taycan is as much “vaporware” as the $35,000 Model 3. So, now the question becomes “How much are you willing to pay for a four door sedan with a 90 kWh battery?”
Heck, maybe they can even out do the present Teslas and get a range over 350 miles with a 90 kWh battery, that would be something!
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Looks Porsche still does not know how to do the PPE. Not going to give too much hope to the Taycan that it will be competitive.
https://electrek.co/2019/02/09/tesla...e-engineering/
https://electrek.co/2019/02/09/tesla...e-engineering/
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Yep, sure enough, according to Automobile magazine from a “reliable source” the base 2WD Taycan will “start in the low $90s” despite the initial promise of a $75k starting price. When Tesla promised a $35k M3 then failed to deliver immediately (but ultimately did deliver) the haters cried and pitched a fit and called Elon Musk a liar.
So come on haters! We’ve really been lied to this time as there will never be a $75,000 Taycan! Duped again! Doh!
So come on haters! We’ve really been lied to this time as there will never be a $75,000 Taycan! Duped again! Doh!
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The Etron SUV is built on the mlb platform which is not optimized for EVs. It also looks like it is as aerodynamic as a brick. It also weighs over 5600lb! So, 200 miles range from 95kwh is not surprising. It is at heart a compliance car for meeting the California consent decree so it will likely die an unceremonious death once the meb platform vehicles hit the road in earnest. I wonder what will become of the j1 chassis such as the Taycan at that time?
The meb chassis is the one to wait for. I saw it in the VW showroom in Berlin along with a mid sized VW suv called I.D. Crozz which looked to be more on par with what most would expect from a modern EV. They are saying 300 miles from 83 kWh batteries which would be outstanding. They are also saying production in 2020. The meb platform is flexible enough to make for some very cool designs.
I salute VW for pledging to phase out ICEs over the next ten years. The future looks very bright indeed! Not surprising to me as an engineer - once one sees the potential of the modern EVs, it’s really hard to get excited about further developing reciprocating engines.
By comparison, the Model 3 LR AWD gets an EPA rating of 310 miles from only a 75 kWh pack (LR RWD is even better at 335 miles). Meanwhile, the Model S LR (AWD), the car the Taycan is really competing against, is EPA rated at 370 miles from a 100 kWh pack.
The Taycan will no doubt be a better looking, and better built vehicle. I'm in line for the Taycan. But Porsche need to do better than what they've promised.
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As discussed, problem is the network of charging stations. If Tesla was smart and wants to make money, they would license their stations to other car manufactures to share their network.
Porsche/Audi do make better quality cars compared to Tesla. That is obvious. But how will they deal with charging network.....
Porsche/Audi do make better quality cars compared to Tesla. That is obvious. But how will they deal with charging network.....
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What happened to that beautiful concept body?
New drives from automobile Magazine with the tearful front lenses and sagging huge red plastic rear are indeed sad.
Porsche won’t sell many of these. There are 3 rennlisters watching here world wide which forebodes future sales and the way Porsche sabotaged the ridiculous escalated pricing on the Panameras will be a another knock on this e model. And the Turbo designation?? Ridiculous
New drives from automobile Magazine with the tearful front lenses and sagging huge red plastic rear are indeed sad.
Porsche won’t sell many of these. There are 3 rennlisters watching here world wide which forebodes future sales and the way Porsche sabotaged the ridiculous escalated pricing on the Panameras will be a another knock on this e model. And the Turbo designation?? Ridiculous
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After driving the Model 3, Model S, Model X, Bolt, i3, Leaf and owning a Fiat 500e I've come to realize that they all drive the same on the street, practically speaking.
If the Taycan doesn't offer 300 miles range, AWD and a base price of $75k (as initially advertised), I'll be running - not walking - to the Tesla dealer with my refunded deposit...
Thoughts?
If the Taycan doesn't offer 300 miles range, AWD and a base price of $75k (as initially advertised), I'll be running - not walking - to the Tesla dealer with my refunded deposit...
Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by GreggT
Years ago I guessed the E would go for $140 or so.
None of this 2-wheel, 4-wheel, 3-model crap really bothers me that much.......that they are not building the E does.
None of this 2-wheel, 4-wheel, 3-model crap really bothers me that much.......that they are not building the E does.
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
What happened to that beautiful concept body?
New drives from automobile Magazine with the tearful front lenses and sagging huge red plastic rear are indeed sad.
Porsche won’t sell many of these. There are 3 rennlisters watching here world wide which forebodes future sales and the way Porsche sabotaged the ridiculous escalated pricing on the Panameras will be a another knock on this e model. And the Turbo designation?? Ridiculous
New drives from automobile Magazine with the tearful front lenses and sagging huge red plastic rear are indeed sad.
Porsche won’t sell many of these. There are 3 rennlisters watching here world wide which forebodes future sales and the way Porsche sabotaged the ridiculous escalated pricing on the Panameras will be a another knock on this e model. And the Turbo designation?? Ridiculous
2. My prediction: Porsche will sell all of these, with no more incentives than on any other production Porsche.