Tesla existential threat?
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From: S.F. Bay Area
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I wish illness on no one - even those on this forum that I often diagree with - we're in a serious situation - and there is very little right/wrong - there is human reaction which is imperfect at best…it's been a tough few weeks…there is a lot going on right now that would by itself be a serious problem, but we seem to have compound problems right now and apparently all this thread can do is bicker wether or not Elon was impolitic with his tweet - spoiler - given his history - not the best source for a measured response…
please return the thread to bashing Tesla's build quality rather than taking sides about how screwed we are or are not regarding an indiscriminate virus that doesn't play favorites or understand your love/hate for Elon…
Hey @Bob Roberts Tesla's build quality is great, there are no problems with their cars, Porsche's catch on fire and the P100DL is faster than the Taycan 0-60, 0-100, 0-200 mph, and the Plaid drive train is shipping next week, will solve world hunger and make Tesla worth more than all automakers combined which is a position they deserve and truly indicative of all things regarding Tesla are just fine and they make no mistakes ever....there that should put us back on track.
oh I forgot the Tesla 5 door sedan that can carry 8 people with the plaid drive train will run multiple back to back 4 min. ring times…it's a certainty.
please return the thread to bashing Tesla's build quality rather than taking sides about how screwed we are or are not regarding an indiscriminate virus that doesn't play favorites or understand your love/hate for Elon…
Hey @Bob Roberts Tesla's build quality is great, there are no problems with their cars, Porsche's catch on fire and the P100DL is faster than the Taycan 0-60, 0-100, 0-200 mph, and the Plaid drive train is shipping next week, will solve world hunger and make Tesla worth more than all automakers combined which is a position they deserve and truly indicative of all things regarding Tesla are just fine and they make no mistakes ever....there that should put us back on track.
oh I forgot the Tesla 5 door sedan that can carry 8 people with the plaid drive train will run multiple back to back 4 min. ring times…it's a certainty.
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Refreshing bit of Musk's video. Compared to CEOs of GM, Boeing, and countless other big corporates, Elon seems to know all the nuts and bolts of Tesla and his signature on the evolution of the model Y is very evident. Bear in mind this company was on life-support just a few months ago. He seems also to listen and improvise on coming out with better cars than the previous models. See the obvious difference between him and the Boeing CEO that got fired.
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Fake news as usual. And Tesla folks are happy staying in the dark.
Compared Model S 5-60mph times to Taycan's 0-60mph. Idiots. @Zcd1 where are you now to help them out? You should know by now.
https://insideevs.com/reviews/410884...april-21-2020/
Compared Model S 5-60mph times to Taycan's 0-60mph. Idiots. @Zcd1 where are you now to help them out? You should know by now.
https://insideevs.com/reviews/410884...april-21-2020/
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Fake news as usual. And Tesla folks are happy staying in the dark.
Compared Model S 5-60mph times to Taycan's 0-60mph. Idiots. @Zcd1 where are you now to help them out? You should know by now.
https://insideevs.com/reviews/410884...april-21-2020/
Compared Model S 5-60mph times to Taycan's 0-60mph. Idiots. @Zcd1 where are you now to help them out? You should know by now.
https://insideevs.com/reviews/410884...april-21-2020/
Thanks @CarMaven for your comment there. Please tell them one is with rollout and the other is without. I don't have an account there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollout_(drag_racing)
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Fake news as usual. And Tesla folks are happy staying in the dark.
Compared Model S 5-60mph times to Taycan's 0-60mph. Idiots. @Zcd1 where are you now to help them out? You should know by now.
https://insideevs.com/reviews/410884...april-21-2020/
Compared Model S 5-60mph times to Taycan's 0-60mph. Idiots. @Zcd1 where are you now to help them out? You should know by now.
https://insideevs.com/reviews/410884...april-21-2020/
As long as they say it's it's claimed, and/or doesn't translate to real world. Who cares.
We all know, the Taycan Turbo S has spanked the P100D, and updated Model S Raven P, etc. So, yes, the new lower number doesn't mean anything, particularly in comparing it to the Taycan Turbo S. But Hey. Teslarati; Inside EV's, etc., can write what they want.
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Thanks @CarMaven for your comment there. Please tell them one is with rollout and the other is without. I don't have an account there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollout_(drag_racing)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollout_(drag_racing)
However, I felt just to let them know the manuf specs don't really amount to much, as we know the Taycan Turbo S has spanked various versions of the most powerful Model S's many times regardless of what they say now about it's 0-60 time.
Burning Brakes
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Apple is still playing around with the idea of entering the automotive business. I believe they could be essential threat to Porsche (unlike Tesla).
They have a brand, have plenty of cash to burn, know software, entertainment and user interfaces well. Know quality control. However they will likely not focus on the performance.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/20...nduction-motor // note the author knows very little about electric motors
https://appleinsider.com/articles/20...of-and-windows
They have a brand, have plenty of cash to burn, know software, entertainment and user interfaces well. Know quality control. However they will likely not focus on the performance.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/20...nduction-motor // note the author knows very little about electric motors
https://appleinsider.com/articles/20...of-and-windows
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What ever happened to the Tesla semi? As far as I know, there has never been a single unit come off the line, beyond the two proto-types made in 2017. Despite the various promises and glitzy dog & pony show from Musk, nothing has been produced and strangely, nobody from Tesla is talking about it.
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What ever happened to the Tesla semi? As far as I know, there has never been a single unit come off the line, beyond the two proto-types made in 2017. Despite the various promises and glitzy dog & pony show from Musk, nothing has been produced and strangely, nobody from Tesla is talking about it.
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my guess with the Semi is you can’t charge it fast enough - consumes too much power to be commercially viable - if you have a big enough battery to haul 32,000 lbs of cargo @ 60 mph - you’ve go to have someway of charging that battery in less than 6 days after your cargo run - I think fuel-cells make the most sense for lower-emission freight and we’ll keep EV’s for personal transportation
and if you can charge 1 semi over night - how do you charge a fleet of 30 semi’s in distribution center...the math on KW feeds to deliver like 300-600 kWh’s x 30 semi’s (or more) in 6 hours overnight is daunting…I don’t believe it can scale.
but I have no factual data - just personal speculation.
and if you can charge 1 semi over night - how do you charge a fleet of 30 semi’s in distribution center...the math on KW feeds to deliver like 300-600 kWh’s x 30 semi’s (or more) in 6 hours overnight is daunting…I don’t believe it can scale.
but I have no factual data - just personal speculation.
Three Wheelin'
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my guess with the Semi is you can’t charge it fast enough - consumes too much power to be commercially viable - if you have a big enough battery to haul 32,000 lbs of cargo @ 60 mph - you’ve go to have someway of charging that battery in less than 6 days after your cargo run - I think fuel-cells make the most sense for lower-emission freight and we’ll keep EV’s for personal transportation
and if you can charge 1 semi over night - how do you charge a fleet of 30 semi’s in distribution center...the math on KW feeds to deliver like 300-600 kWh’s x 30 semi’s (or more) in 6 hours overnight is daunting…I don’t believe it can scale.
but I have no factual data - just personal speculation.
and if you can charge 1 semi over night - how do you charge a fleet of 30 semi’s in distribution center...the math on KW feeds to deliver like 300-600 kWh’s x 30 semi’s (or more) in 6 hours overnight is daunting…I don’t believe it can scale.
but I have no factual data - just personal speculation.
Burning Brakes
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From what I've read, the plan for semi's is to charge in parallel multiple battery banks. So they would partner with truck stops to have super-superchargers. Production is expected to start the 2nd half of 2020: https://twitter.com/jpr007/status/12...443776/photo/1
What was mentioned is the total power to charge 30 trucks in a relatively short time. 300kWh x 30 / 6hours = 1.5MW. It is not that extreme though. For example electric arc furnaces can be as high as 50MW.
Electric trucks are good for the last mile delivery. Tesla Semi is too big for that. There are a lot of new companies developing fuel cell trucks so the math doesn't seem to work on the electric semis. Tesla won't be able to use the NCA chemistry as it has too short life cycle. Has to use the NMC or the LFP. The Nickel based batteries needs a lot of cobalt to reach high cycle life. LFP is heavy. It is used in buses though (relatively low miles, get charged frequently at bus stops). Additionally they are constrained on battery production capacity.
One more thing, they are lagging in autonomy for trucking business. Trucks can swallow $30k in equipment for autonomy while Tesla got stuck with their barefoot solution.