Has anyone retrofitted a GT3 master cylinder to a Cayman R?
03-29-2012, 10:08 PM
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03-29-2012, 10:26 PM
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They were special ordered, Option 25801 ($630), to add alcantara inserts to P77 seats. A little frustrating - paying more for the P77s with alcantara than the stock, and super cool GT2 buckets (which come with the alcantara!), but the Sport Buckets seat me too high in the 987s. I was tempted to get them, anyway, and either swap them into the RS (where I/they work fine) or swap (w/cash) to someone that wanted them, but I had a bad experience with putting 996 GT3 seats into my 2001 Boxster S.
At least the P77s allow me to get the seat warmers, which my chiropractor recommended.
03-29-2012, 10:36 PM
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Wow, just like Eduardo says: There are plenty of options you can get that are not listed on the website configurator. That's interesting to know that the sport buckets are mounted higher in a 987 than a 997. I definitely felt the difference in height when I swapped out my seats to the buckets.
BTW, I'm planning on heading down to sharkwerks tomorrow afternoon to check out your car and the tires.
BTW, I'm planning on heading down to sharkwerks tomorrow afternoon to check out your car and the tires.
03-29-2012, 10:45 PM
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And the pictures don't even show my ridiculously expensive ($745) Exclusive option... alcantara sunvisors.
I saw them on a GT3 RS and now the standard ones bother me every time I get in the RS (though not as much as the standard console lid would
)... so it was a moral imperative to get them, right? Thank goodness I keep cars for a long time.
Sounds good, let me know what you think of the exhaust. You and I are starting from the same perspective, so (hopefully) your opinion should be a good test of whether the jet-hot Tubi will be too loud for me.
I saw them on a GT3 RS and now the standard ones bother me every time I get in the RS (though not as much as the standard console lid would
)... so it was a moral imperative to get them, right? Thank goodness I keep cars for a long time.Sounds good, let me know what you think of the exhaust. You and I are starting from the same perspective, so (hopefully) your opinion should be a good test of whether the jet-hot Tubi will be too loud for me.
03-30-2012, 05:35 AM
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I seriously am excited. This R is gone up a notch and some. Brakes feel like they are worthy of the "PCCB" moniker now (never mind the price tag). The LWF and tune makes is so rev-happy. It's fun to push the gas now without as much of a delay and just gearing down is easier with rev-matching. She's faster, lighter and sounds the part now too. You're going to have some fun!
PS So glad you got those R tires. What a difference and why weren't they on the car from the order!
PS So glad you got those R tires. What a difference and why weren't they on the car from the order!
03-30-2012, 09:35 AM
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And the pictures don't even show my ridiculously expensive ($745) Exclusive option... alcantara sunvisors.
I saw them on a GT3 RS and now the standard ones bother me every time I get in the RS (though not as much as the standard console lid would)... so it was a moral imperative to get them, right? Thank goodness I keep cars for a long time.
Sounds good, let me know what you think of the exhaust. You and I are starting from the same perspective, so (hopefully) your opinion should be a good test of whether the jet-hot Tubi will be too loud for me.
I saw them on a GT3 RS and now the standard ones bother me every time I get in the RS (though not as much as the standard console lid would
)... so it was a moral imperative to get them, right? Thank goodness I keep cars for a long time.Sounds good, let me know what you think of the exhaust. You and I are starting from the same perspective, so (hopefully) your opinion should be a good test of whether the jet-hot Tubi will be too loud for me.
I can't wait to get some impressions after you get your car back!
03-30-2012, 11:03 AM
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And the pictures don't even show my ridiculously expensive ($745) Exclusive option... alcantara sunvisors.
I saw them on a GT3 RS and now the standard ones bother me every time I get in the RS (though not as much as the standard console lid would)... so it was a moral imperative to get them, right? Thank goodness I keep cars for a long time.
Sounds good, let me know what you think of the exhaust. You and I are starting from the same perspective, so (hopefully) your opinion should be a good test of whether the jet-hot Tubi will be too loud for me.
I saw them on a GT3 RS and now the standard ones bother me every time I get in the RS (though not as much as the standard console lid would
)... so it was a moral imperative to get them, right? Thank goodness I keep cars for a long time.Sounds good, let me know what you think of the exhaust. You and I are starting from the same perspective, so (hopefully) your opinion should be a good test of whether the jet-hot Tubi will be too loud for me.
03-30-2012, 11:11 AM
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I seriously am excited. This R is gone up a notch and some. Brakes feel like they are worthy of the "PCCB" moniker now (never mind the price tag). The LWF and tune makes is so rev-happy. It's fun to push the gas now without as much of a delay and just gearing down is easier with rev-matching. She's faster, lighter and sounds the part now too. You're going to have some fun!
PS So glad you got those R tires. What a difference and why weren't they on the car from the order!
PS So glad you got those R tires. What a difference and why weren't they on the car from the order!
please do a pictorial when you're done!
03-30-2012, 11:21 AM
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03-30-2012, 01:42 PM
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Steve you need to stop pointing out the stupid things that Porsche does. I agree that the sun visors are another part of the car that is really deficient considering the price of the car. Then again it is such a minor thing that I'm willing to let it go....just don't bring it up again.
I can't wait to get some impressions after you get your car back!
I can't wait to get some impressions after you get your car back!
Ok, I lied. (I let too much of this stuff drive me crazy.)
I can understand why the shifter/brake in aluminum/alcantara is so expensive, there's a lot of minute stitching and special parts. But the headliner? really? it's not much more than a yard of fabric. I'd bet that if Porsche put the alcantara headliner in as part of the stock configuration, more people would be buying their expensive alcantara bits, too.
Actually, I'm thrilled. I can't wait.
03-30-2012, 02:55 PM
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Steve you need to stop pointing out the stupid things that Porsche does. I agree that the sun visors are another part of the car that is really deficient considering the price of the car. Then again it is such a minor thing that I'm willing to let it go....just don't bring it up again.
I can't wait to get some impressions after you get your car back!
I can't wait to get some impressions after you get your car back!
I really feel terrible for folks that haven't experienced PCCB's on a GT3 platform and then spend the money on the 987 for them only to have them feel as mushy/sloshy... Not good!I'll put it in here too
Then I won't mention the cheap headliner that they put on the all the Caymans, even the R.
Ok, I lied. (I let too much of this stuff drive me crazy.)
I can understand why the shifter/brake in aluminum/alcantara is so expensive, there's a lot of minute stitching and special parts. But the headliner? really? it's not much more than a yard of fabric. I'd bet that if Porsche put the alcantara headliner in as part of the stock configuration, more people would be buying their expensive alcantara bits, too.
Actually, I'm thrilled. I can't wait.
Ok, I lied. (I let too much of this stuff drive me crazy.)
I can understand why the shifter/brake in aluminum/alcantara is so expensive, there's a lot of minute stitching and special parts. But the headliner? really? it's not much more than a yard of fabric. I'd bet that if Porsche put the alcantara headliner in as part of the stock configuration, more people would be buying their expensive alcantara bits, too.
Actually, I'm thrilled. I can't wait.
03-30-2012, 02:56 PM
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From ze web site so excuse the formality... I think I will need to talk to Dan about improving the fin rating
This beautiful 2012 Cayman R was transported to us shortly after the owner took delivery of the vehicle. He knew the R was a great base to start with and after driving it about 3000 miles, he had a few ideas on how he could improve upon what he liked about it.
The owner also requested that we test drive the car in stock form and determine what we would want to change if it was our own car.
It's unnecessary to change the appearance of anything here: the bright 19-inch OEM wheels look great and the factory Cayman R wing and front look just about perfect in silver with the yellow PCCB calipers.
It was refreshing to see a 6-speed after so many recent PDK cars.
The owner plans to track the car occasionally so he was most interested in mechanical upgrades: more power, suspension improvements and the brakes and cooling. So on the lift she goes...
We first tuned the ECU with EVOMSit software for another 16 horsepower and sharper throttle response by remapping the e-gas pedal. We also enabled left-foot braking for track use.
Here's a video showing EVOMSit tuning on the Cayman R:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=SeZohu9wO5A
Off comes the front bumper cover, and lights:
Next we took the Porsche factory center 997 radiator and related shroudings:
Installed:
One complaint we have been hearing about the DFI Cayman and Boxster models is that the brake pedal feel isn't quite what you'd expect, even with PCCB ceramic rotors. Luckily Porsche's 997.2 GT3 brake master cylinder fits, so with a little work the brake feel is transformed and the pedal can gain some of that instant feedback found on the GT3 models:
Stock suspension bits:
To stiffen up the rear suspension and give more adjustment, RSS's adjustable toe-steer kit and locking plates were installed:
An ugly and quiet stock exhaust:
With the DFI generation of Porsches upon us, the common complaint is that the car just doesn't sound special. It doesn't suit the car: in fact it barely suits a sewing machine. So on the floor it goes...
We'll deal with the exhaust a bit later.
Since this car features an old fashioned manual transmission, this means Porsche has put in the heavy dual-mass flywheel. While it's great for keeping the noise down (and this unit is a little lighter than previous generations) it's not nearly as rev-happy and fun as the 14-pound lightweight unit, which significantly helps acceleration on the 3.4L engine.
The transmission is removed.
The stock flywheel bolted to the engine:
The new flywheel:
A Tubi exhaust was installed after ceramic hot-coating in black.
Here's a short video showing the Tubi on a DFI 987.2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ekNOYsolhv0
Before the car was complete, the tires were also switched. Porsche supplied Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires, but the owner preferred the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, commonly found on the 997 GT3RS.
And here she is, all ready for the road or track:
We drove the car before and after all of these upgrades. The most obvious difference was in the acceleration. Sure the car sounds a bit raspier and the brake feel is nicer, but the combination of the lightweight flywheel, software and exhaust really helped to bring the car alive. With TCS disabled the tires spin freely in 1st gear and the engine is much peppier as the revs climb. The sound is nice, deep and exotic but not too loud (it helps with a 6-speed and hardtop). The suspension feels tighter in the rear and these Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, once the release agents are scrubbed off, should provide a huge traction boost over the OEM rubber. We are really happy with how the car turned out, and can't wait to hear what the owner thinks once she's home again safe and sound!
This beautiful 2012 Cayman R was transported to us shortly after the owner took delivery of the vehicle. He knew the R was a great base to start with and after driving it about 3000 miles, he had a few ideas on how he could improve upon what he liked about it.
The owner also requested that we test drive the car in stock form and determine what we would want to change if it was our own car.
It's unnecessary to change the appearance of anything here: the bright 19-inch OEM wheels look great and the factory Cayman R wing and front look just about perfect in silver with the yellow PCCB calipers.
It was refreshing to see a 6-speed after so many recent PDK cars.
The owner plans to track the car occasionally so he was most interested in mechanical upgrades: more power, suspension improvements and the brakes and cooling. So on the lift she goes...
We first tuned the ECU with EVOMSit software for another 16 horsepower and sharper throttle response by remapping the e-gas pedal. We also enabled left-foot braking for track use.
Here's a video showing EVOMSit tuning on the Cayman R:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=SeZohu9wO5A
Off comes the front bumper cover, and lights:
Next we took the Porsche factory center 997 radiator and related shroudings:
Installed:
One complaint we have been hearing about the DFI Cayman and Boxster models is that the brake pedal feel isn't quite what you'd expect, even with PCCB ceramic rotors. Luckily Porsche's 997.2 GT3 brake master cylinder fits, so with a little work the brake feel is transformed and the pedal can gain some of that instant feedback found on the GT3 models:
Stock suspension bits:
To stiffen up the rear suspension and give more adjustment, RSS's adjustable toe-steer kit and locking plates were installed:
An ugly and quiet stock exhaust:
With the DFI generation of Porsches upon us, the common complaint is that the car just doesn't sound special. It doesn't suit the car: in fact it barely suits a sewing machine. So on the floor it goes...
We'll deal with the exhaust a bit later.
Since this car features an old fashioned manual transmission, this means Porsche has put in the heavy dual-mass flywheel. While it's great for keeping the noise down (and this unit is a little lighter than previous generations) it's not nearly as rev-happy and fun as the 14-pound lightweight unit, which significantly helps acceleration on the 3.4L engine.
The transmission is removed.
The stock flywheel bolted to the engine:
The new flywheel:
A Tubi exhaust was installed after ceramic hot-coating in black.
Here's a short video showing the Tubi on a DFI 987.2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ekNOYsolhv0
Before the car was complete, the tires were also switched. Porsche supplied Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires, but the owner preferred the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, commonly found on the 997 GT3RS.
And here she is, all ready for the road or track:
We drove the car before and after all of these upgrades. The most obvious difference was in the acceleration. Sure the car sounds a bit raspier and the brake feel is nicer, but the combination of the lightweight flywheel, software and exhaust really helped to bring the car alive. With TCS disabled the tires spin freely in 1st gear and the engine is much peppier as the revs climb. The sound is nice, deep and exotic but not too loud (it helps with a 6-speed and hardtop). The suspension feels tighter in the rear and these Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, once the release agents are scrubbed off, should provide a huge traction boost over the OEM rubber. We are really happy with how the car turned out, and can't wait to hear what the owner thinks once she's home again safe and sound!
03-30-2012, 03:00 PM
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03-30-2012, 09:06 PM
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Steve, I just got back from my visit to Sharkwerks. Thanks to Alex for spending the time to show me your car. Congrats on a very NICE, well put together ride!
Re: Tubi - This is the exhaust I should have gotten. Louder and meaner than the remus, and surprisingly still NO drone at cruising speeds. I could probably tolerate an even louder exhaust, but I think the Tubi is great. Is it loud enough for me to sell my remus and get the Tubi? Probably. I'll wait until later in year to consider it.
Re: GT3 master cylinder - Your pedal feels the exact same as mine. Shorter travel, but still a little soft. No rock hard end point. Not perfect, but much better than the stock pedal.
Re: lightweight flywheel. Noticeable difference in rev speed. Nice addition to the car.
Re: PS2 tires - PMing you
I like the alcantara on the door trim! Another option I was not aware of...
Re: Tubi - This is the exhaust I should have gotten. Louder and meaner than the remus, and surprisingly still NO drone at cruising speeds. I could probably tolerate an even louder exhaust, but I think the Tubi is great. Is it loud enough for me to sell my remus and get the Tubi? Probably. I'll wait until later in year to consider it.
Re: GT3 master cylinder - Your pedal feels the exact same as mine. Shorter travel, but still a little soft. No rock hard end point. Not perfect, but much better than the stock pedal.
Re: lightweight flywheel. Noticeable difference in rev speed. Nice addition to the car.
Re: PS2 tires - PMing you
I like the alcantara on the door trim! Another option I was not aware of...