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I have owned all variants of the 944 to include a couple of 968's. I found, despite what my body thought was happening, I was always much faster around any given track or known road in my 928's. I think one of the critical reasons 928's are found to be less than average in reliability is this car always represented new implementations of technology and features ahead of any of the other Porsche marques. It has far more creature comforts and sophistication in accessories, suspension, on board computers, seating options, etc. All which make an already complex car even more so.
Is the 928 heavy compared to a 951? You bet, so what. Can a tuned 951 beat a comparable 928 in a stoplight to stop light race? Yes to that too. But can a 951 outrun a 928 at top speed, or around most tracks provided similar driver abilities? Not even close. There really is no substitution for combustion chamber volume.
As a 944 or 911 variant owner I would look at the 928 as the ultimate performance GT of its age and also be surprised by how well it performs on the track with proper set up instead of ridiculing it for its inconsistent reliability. If one were able to add all of the ancillary features and technology of the 928 to a corresponding 944/911 derivative, I am pretty confident the reliability comparison would be near equal.
I know it is great folly for some who hold the 928 in disdain to purposely agitate the 928 community. There is a simple test, bring your best 944/911 derivative car and driver for each year the 928 was in production. Pair them up with the best 928 derivative for the corresponding years and put them on the track. In the 928 community the driver would be Mark Anderson, let the cars and your driver compete. It is from my perspective a good test of the potential of the cars. It does not take much pondering to know what that outcome would be.
For those whom would rather spend their time thinking of ways to aggravate owners of a cousin car from the same manufacturer, well, its just a strange waste of time to create ill-will as a form of fun. I suppose one could do the same in assessing the affiliation and proximity of an individual to gross and reprehensible governmental political malfeasance. Some might think that entertaining, others not. After awhile it just gets tiresome for all involved.
If one does not like the 928, that is fine, many don't. No need to come here to aggravate people who appreciate the car for its greatness and idiosyncrasies.
If 928s are so much less reliable, perhaps you should add 928 parts to your repertoire.
unfortunately I only deal with Porsche sports cars like the 911, 951, 968 , Cayman, but one day I will sell the other non sport P-cars like the cayenne, the macan, the 928.
I have owned all variants of the 944 to include a couple of 968's. I found, despite what my body thought was happening, I was always much faster around any given track or known road in my 928's. I think one of the critical reasons 928's are found to be less than average in reliability is this car always represented new implementations of technology and features ahead of any of the other Porsche marques. It has far more creature comforts and sophistication in accessories, suspension, on board computers, seating options, etc. All which make an already complex car even more so.
Is the 928 heavy compared to a 951? You bet, so what. Can a tuned 951 beat a comparable 928 in a stoplight to stop light race? Yes to that too. But can a 951 outrun a 928 at top speed, or around most tracks provided similar driver abilities? Not even close. There really is no substitution for combustion chamber volume.
As a 944 or 911 variant owner I would look at the 928 as the ultimate performance GT of its age and also be surprised by how well it performs on the track with proper set up instead of ridiculing it for its inconsistent reliability. If one were able to add all of the ancillary features and technology of the 928 to a corresponding 944/911 derivative, I am pretty confident the reliability comparison would be near equal.
If one does not like the 928, that is fine, many don't. No need to come here to aggravate people who appreciate the car for its greatness and idiosyncrasies.
I didn't start the poll I was just going back to the discussion we had years ago in regards of reliability, but sometimes I feel the 928 guys live in a bubble. Fortunately due to new technology available besides the chevy LS swap which I despise, 951's are running 350rwhp on average, where the new 3L strokers are running 540rwhp on average, just to put this into context a 951 @ 2900lbs with 500rwhp is a pretty wicked car, not to mention that two of the fastest " Time Attack" P-cars in the world are 944 based, a 944 Turbo and a 968 Turbo. (correction 2 944 turbos and a 968 turbo) http://www.worldtimeattack.com/index...are-wtac-cars/
the discussion was based upon an article of the GT-Porsche magazine which stated the following;
Originally Posted by pmotts
In the December GT Porsche mag that actually celebrates '3 decades of the big V8' he headlines his article "ANY 928 IS A CRACKED BLOCK WAITING TO HAPPEN". He goes on to say "the 928's reliabilty issues are now so well documented there are tribes in the Congo who still think the world is flat but understand that any 928 motor is a cracked block waiting to happen"... .
I wasn't trying to offend anyone just a basic discussion of reliability nothing else. My apologies.
I know what you mean. The cracked block threads are almost as ubiquitous as the oil viscosity preference threads over here. Good thing though is that the Porsche engineers designed the 928 block to crack directly down the middle, thus allowing a lot of owners to experience the power of the 944 while having a spare to throw in the back for long road trips.
I know what you mean. The cracked block threads are almost as ubiquitous as the oil viscosity preference threads over here. Good thing though is that the Porsche engineers designed the 928 block to crack directly down the middle, thus allowing a lot of owners to experience the power of the 944 while having a spare to throw in the back for long road trips.
serious it cracks
Originally Posted by Originally Posted by Louie928
Wait a minute.... 928 blocks do crack, even with antifreeze, .
Originally Posted by Originally Posted by Vilhuer
I have two 928 blocks in garage which suffered serious cracking problems. At least one was caused by head gasket failure. This allowed water to leak into combustion chamber and was away oil film from cylinder wall. This in turn heated up piston which then cracked cylinder in nice straight vertical line either at 12 o'clock, 6 o'clock or both when looking cylinder from above on exhaust side. It seems on at least one cylinder crack started in middle of cylinder tower but did not reach all the way to the top. On other cylinders crack lower end is about same position while they get to all the way to top.
He goes on to say "the 928's reliabilty issues are now so well documented there are tribes in the Congo who still think the world is flat but understand that any 928 motor is a cracked block waiting to happen"...
Love your cars Brian, They look great. My '85 S2 is in very good mechanical shape now after two years of restoration. Going into the body shop mid September for full strip down and repaint. Looking forward to the results. Thanks again for sending me those ventilation vanes. A very generous gesture on your part.
Originally Posted by The Deputy
78 and 84, properly maintained, just turn the key and go.
I don't believe your example is the gold standard for 928's, but if posting a picture of a poorly maintain car broken down makes you feel all better about yourself and your choice of car...all I can say is...what a little world your mind must live in.
This is just dumb. We're comparing randomly modified cars now? There are plenty of modified 928s putting down pretty serious power too. What was your point again?
Originally Posted by lart951
I didn't start the poll I was just going back to the discussion we had years ago in regards of reliability, but sometimes I feel the 928 guys live in a bubble. Fortunately due to new technology available besides the chevy LS swap which I despise, 951's are running 350rwhp on average, where the new 3L strokers are running 540rwhp on average, just to put this into context a 951 @ 2900lbs with 500rwhp is a pretty wicked car, not to mention that two of the fastest " Time Attack" P-cars in the world are 944 based, a 944 Turbo and a 968 Turbo. (correction 2 944 turbos and a 968 turbo) http://www.worldtimeattack.com/index...are-wtac-cars/
08-24-2016, 09:18 AM
