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Taylor Swift is an angel I tell you. Bet the Stones would have liked her @ 26
She'd be too old for Bill Wyman; I recall his last wife was, what: 19 when they married?
There's a story about the Stones…entertaining a girl interviewing them for her high school newspaper on their jet.
Great musicians.
Filthy human beings.
I'm sure Aerosmith and The Doobie Brothers were total gentlemen, in contrast…
Oh, yeah: The thread. 996 engines. They break sometimes.
Somebody should fix them. Either cheaply, or expensively.
So to sum up, I'm the Rennlist Robin Hood with a 3'' *****, lol. BTW, Jake I'm still waiting for the first copy of your book which you promised me almost 2 years ago with special dedication just for me I was still in Chicago freezing my butt off and needed a fire starter for my fireplace. Now I'm in Florida it's hot as hell yet still no book. Since you won't share any details unless you get a cc number please tell us what "special" components you put in your motors. Main components have been constant for years (cases, crank, heads, cams, etc...) Is your special ingredient some kind of magic dust, touch of an angel or what else? I see your pics on fb, looks like some parts need a thorough cleaning and I saw some rust of the rods. I would never think this would happen at FSI! Good parts cleaning is a must!
Looks like you're looking for customers and exalting yourself again
Any one checked to see how many "for sale" threads this troll has started? He's gotten more replies off of bashing Jake then all of them combined. Lol. :attentionwhore:
But they are made by a bunch of utterly self-interested corporate drones, who use their devoted and somewhat gullible core devotees to then sell ten million Macans and Cayennes to a bunch of wealthy soccer moms, and nouveau riche Chinese.
The warning stickers in new Ferrari's are now bi-lingual Chinese & English. So it's not just Porsche.
Quoting JR "Anyway, Martin compares what he does, to what we do simply because the actions being taken are similar. An engine is being assembled.
The differences in what we do are not posted, because I won't allow the enemy to simply combat each of those items with their own mis- information."
Yes Jake, I can clearly see the difference between your motor and my motor. Now everyone here on rl can also see the difference and decide for themselves In this case of basic rebuild (not bigger bore option):
1)FSI cylinders are OEM aluminum, still prone to scoring, d chunk and cracking. Ours resleeved with steel sleeve technology with 5 year warranty.
2)FSI installs dirty pistons, not possible at MB Motorsports. Our pistons are modified for custom piston rings and restored.
3)FSI engine cases not resurfaced under the cylinder head gasket. Impossible at MB Motorsports.
4)FSI has 1 year warranty for parts and labor, price 40% higher than MB. We also offer 1 year warranty for parts and labor, price is 40% cheaper than FSI. 5)All parts inside like main and rod bearings, sliders, tensioners, chains, ims roller bearing, etc are brand new. We both use outside sources for head restoration and resleeving, and both have very good quality end product. It's equal standard in this case.
I will post differences between our bigger bore and FSI bigger bore soon. My price will not be $24k up, it will be $16k with much better quality product.
1)FSI cylinders are OEM aluminum, still prone to scoring, d chunk and cracking.
Incorrect! All OEM parent material above the water jacket is removed with the Nickies process. The cylinder is COMPLETELY replaced with a billet, extruded cylinder which is Nikisil plated. This process is the same that LN and I developed in 1999, and has been sold continually since 2001 with tens of thousands of engines fitted, both air cooled, and water cooled.
Ours resleeved with steel sleeve technology with 5 year warranty.
Martin, your company changed names 3 times in an 18 month period. Quite frankly a promise of warranty is only secure if the company is still around 5 years later. We do not leverage a piece of paper to sell engines.
2)FSI installs dirty pistons, not possible at MB Motorsports. Our pistons are modified for custom piston rings and restored.
What? Incorrect! Every single engine that we reconstruct has new JE pistons, and some engines use CP pistons in certain applications. The only engines that see any piston thats not new, out of the box is an engine thats being repaired, not reconstructed.
3)FSI engine cases not resurfaced under the cylinder head gasket. Impossible at MB Motorsports.
Incorrect again. ALL reconstructed engines feature a CDM ground cylinder surface, as well as a cylinder head surface. The photo that you have posted does not reflect a reconstructed engine at all, it was an engine that was being repaired.
The photo I have posted below illustrates the cylinder deck of an FSI reconstructed engine.
4)FSI has 1 year warranty for parts and labor, price 40% higher than MB. We also offer 1 year warranty for parts and labor, price is 40% cheaper than FSI.
Thats right, because we don't over-sell and under- deliver. The warranty is not needed, BUT I recently did repair a track engine that had an issue 5 years after it was built. I did that for free.
5)All parts inside like main and rod bearings, sliders, tensioners, chains, ims roller bearing, etc are brand new.
Do you replace all valve seats, guides and valves?
We both use outside sources for head restoration and resleeving, and both have very good quality end product.
My cylinder head shop is an extension of my company, and has been since 2003. Sleeves are only installed by LN Engineering, which is a company I assisted in founding in 1999. I have been the developer for LN since the beginning, and what we have can't be purchased in any other fashion.
It's equal standard in this case.
Hardly. You are using steel sleeves, with a loss of thermal conductivity of near 25% compared to Nickies. You are using some company that ou claim is in another country to do this work, and that company has no reputation. They have not been developing their product since 1999, and they have likely been in business a shorter time than you have.
Again, you are comparing apples to grapefruits. Its more like comparing night, to day.
I will post differences between our bigger bore and FSI bigger bore soon. My price will not be $24k up, it will be $16k with much better quality product
You can't, because you have no comparable to what we create as a whole unit. You have no dyno, you have no research lab, you have no flow bench, and lastly, you have no experience at elevated power levels in regard to internal manipulation of the engine. You will bring to market an engine that lacks development, just like everyone else does.
Now, that said, you are trying to compare some photos of an engine that we repaired to an engine thats reconstructed. Don't fool people here, these guys are smarter than that. That said, a used engine that we are repairing is the closest comparison to anything that you "build". I welcome you to the M96 Performance Engine world, in fact, I offer an online M96/ M97 Performance Engine Class, you might consider enrolling in it to save yourself some hassles. The learning curve is 90 degrees otherwise.
Here's a photo of the cylinder deck surface of a reconstructed engine. This one belonged to Max501 here on Rennlist, and the engine made 347 HP at the rear wheels, and 307 lb/ ft of torque. This was on pump gas, its not a race engine.
Now its clear that we can post even fewer photos on Facebook, as these will be misconstrued and used by the enemy. Yes Martin, you are not the competition, because you can't compete, but you can be the enemy.
I too have a revision to my engine program, but its simply some new bore sizes, strokes and engine combinations with displacements up to 4.4L. Here I have 4.0 and 4.1 engines filling 97% of my schedule for the next 14 months. People keep wanting more and more, so its time to turn up the volume and apply what we developed one before we needed to. Bore & strokes and combinations have evolved with our development of different cylinder deck enhancements, along with semi closed decks.
For those who are interested in the "Flat 6 Difference" I offer online webinars held live (Hosted by Charles Navarro and I) once per month where we go over the details associated with creating these engines. These are not for educational purposes- they are for sales purposes, yet we'll not "sell" you anything, we just give the facts, and the comparisons. Thats the only way that we share the full story with our engines and we are security minded with enrollees, simply for the reasons of all the "Martins" that have popped up over the last few years.We require a full application to be filled out.
I have a room full of Rennlist members that will be attending my M96 102 Engine Rebuild School (Hands- on) tomorrow through Saturday. I am sure that Martin will be a hot topic amongst those attendees at our Friday night Social. The last class those guys had a great time after a few beers!
Well not to fuel the fire but my wife has an Acura MDX and there's been quite a few owners of excessive oil consumption on the newer J series motors by Acura owners. These have aluminum block utilizing Alusil lining. I found it interesting that Acura had a formal TSB to replace the short block for excessive oil consumption for '10-'13 models. I found it even more interesting that Acura switched back to steel liners in their '14+ models. After researching it a bit, there's been quite a few manufacturers that flip flopped on these types of liners including Jaguar. I understand that Nikasil is different but the basics of having a coating on aluminum is still similiar.
Martin, are there any noticeable heat differences and/or HP and torque differences throughout the rev band utilizing the steel liners?
Incorrect! All OEM parent material above the water jacket is removed with the Nickies process. The cylinder is COMPLETELY replaced with a billet, extruded cylinder which is Nikisil plated. This process is the same that LN and I developed in 1999, and has been sold continually since 2001 with tens of thousands of engines fitted, both air cooled, and water cooled.
Martin, your company changed names 3 times in an 18 month period. Quite frankly a promise of warranty is only secure if the company is still around 5 years later. We do not leverage a piece of paper to sell engines.
What? Incorrect! Every single engine that we reconstruct has new JE pistons, and some engines use CP pistons in certain applications. The only engines that see any piston thats not new, out of the box is an engine thats being repaired, not reconstructed.
Incorrect again. ALL reconstructed engines feature a CDM ground cylinder surface, as well as a cylinder head surface. The photo that you have posted does not reflect a reconstructed engine at all, it was an engine that was being repaired.
The photo I have posted below illustrates the cylinder deck of an FSI reconstructed engine.
Thats right, because we don't over-sell and under- deliver. The warranty is not needed, BUT I recently did repair a track engine that had an issue 5 years after it was built. I did that for free.
Do you replace all valve seats, guides and valves?
My cylinder head shop is an extension of my company, and has been since 2003. Sleeves are only installed by LN Engineering, which is a company I assisted in founding in 1999. I have been the developer for LN since the beginning, and what we have can't be purchased in any other fashion.
Hardly. You are using steel sleeves, with a loss of thermal conductivity of near 25% compared to Nickies. You are using some company that ou claim is in another country to do this work, and that company has no reputation. They have not been developing their product since 1999, and they have likely been in business a shorter time than you have.
Again, you are comparing apples to grapefruits. Its more like comparing night, to day.
You can't, because you have no comparable to what we create as a whole unit. You have no dyno, you have no research lab, you have no flow bench, and lastly, you have no experience at elevated power levels in regard to internal manipulation of the engine. You will bring to market an engine that lacks development, just like everyone else does.
Now, that said, you are trying to compare some photos of an engine that we repaired to an engine thats reconstructed. Don't fool people here, these guys are smarter than that. That said, a used engine that we are repairing is the closest comparison to anything that you "build". I welcome you to the M96 Performance Engine world, in fact, I offer an online M96/ M97 Performance Engine Class, you might consider enrolling in it to save yourself some hassles. The learning curve is 90 degrees otherwise.
Here's a photo of the cylinder deck surface of a reconstructed engine. This one belonged to Max501 here on Rennlist, and the engine made 347 HP at the rear wheels, and 307 lb/ ft of torque. This was on pump gas, its not a race engine.
Now its clear that we can post even fewer photos on Facebook, as these will be misconstrued and used by the enemy. Yes Martin, you are not the competition, because you can't compete, but you can be the enemy.
I too have a revision to my engine program, but its simply some new bore sizes, strokes and engine combinations with displacements up to 4.4L. Here I have 4.0 and 4.1 engines filling 97% of my schedule for the next 14 months. People keep wanting more and more, so its time to turn up the volume and apply what we developed one before we needed to. Bore & strokes and combinations have evolved with our development of different cylinder deck enhancements, along with semi closed decks.
For those who are interested in the "Flat 6 Difference" I offer online webinars held live (Hosted by Charles Navarro and I) once per month where we go over the details associated with creating these engines. These are not for educational purposes- they are for sales purposes, yet we'll not "sell" you anything, we just give the facts, and the comparisons. Thats the only way that we share the full story with our engines and we are security minded with enrollees, simply for the reasons of all the "Martins" that have popped up over the last few years.We require a full application to be filled out.
I have a room full of Rennlist members that will be attending my M96 102 Engine Rebuild School (Hands- on) tomorrow through Saturday. I am sure that Martin will be a hot topic amongst those attendees at our Friday night Social. The last class those guys had a great time after a few beers!
Wow, you really think I'm an idiot. I was talking about your BASIC rebuild not bigger bore! I'm not comparing your bigger bore option to my stock rebuilds! I'm talking about the stock Andrew's rebuild which looks like scrap. I don't know why he paid you for this "dirty" job. It's no rocket science to install JR brand new pistons straight from the box. You didn't even bother to clean the oem pistons but still charged him more than what we do. You didn't bother to resurface the cases either, but when you send cases to LN they come back already resurfaced. It's clearly visible in the pictures I posted above. I will be back to our bigger bore subject soon.
As to your claim that I have no idea how to build performance engines please remember that I've been a superbike racer for the last 23 years and have built my own performance engines for my own racing purposes. My engine has 240hp from 1l cc, 14,500 rpms. So don't tell me about your Porsche performance engines!
As to your students, I know a few of them who later call me for advise with different problems when they get stuck. Don't explain yourself anymore, people can see the pictures and compare. You do not have to twist the facts. Knowing how you can brag you will soon say this motor didn't come out of your shop and you didn't rebuild it.
Instead of signing up for your class I'd prefer your book which you promised me
Well not to fuel the fire but my wife has an Acura MDX and there's been quite a few owners of excessive oil consumption on the newer J series motors by Acura owners. These have aluminum block utilizing Alusil lining. I found it interesting that Acura had a formal TSB to replace the short block for excessive oil consumption for '10-'13 models. I found it even more interesting that Acura switched back to steel liners in their '14+ models. After researching it a bit, there's been quite a few manufacturers that flip flopped on these types of liners including Jaguar. I understand that Nikasil is different but the basics of having a coating on aluminum is still similiar.
Here's more fuel. There were running changes in the engine of the 928 which has Alusil bores like all prev 928 engines. Final version was 5.4L with different rings. They have excess oil consumption problems as well, however - we think more likely in the 928 case it's a function of crankcase windage and aeration of the oil in the spaces of the crankcase than any blowby of the rings.
I remember when my engine went south like it was yesterday. As many have experienced, I was in a dark place as I researched options over a few weeks. I remember setting up a phone conference with Jake. I knew 10 minutes into our conversation that FSI was my choice. All the costs and timeline were discussed with me up front (there was no fine print!!) From the moment I signed up, I knew with confidence my machine would be brought back to life with a new heart.
Jake publicly shares a ton of his extensive hands/brain experience. He continues to research and improve as demonstrated by new products and processes. He could hoard his insight for his benefit. Yet- he openly shares for the benefit of all. His long term work product quality supports his craftsmanship.
I was fortunate to participate in his engine rebuild classes. We all saw up close what makes a FSI engine special. It is not this thing or that- it the entire process of creating a custom engine for the application. FSI could cookie-cutter generic motors out the door with ease. Yet- they are building a custom engine for a custom customer.
I think there were only about 8 items (maybe less) used from my original motor, and specifically outlined in the proposal. There are a ton of new bits and pieces all documented in an extensive picture library I received with the car. FSI even threw in a few extra goodies. The FSI process is a custom personal experience and much more than the purchase of a generic engine.
I appreciate quality and straight talk- chalk me up in the Raby fan club!!
Wow, you really think I'm an idiot. I was talking about your BASIC rebuild not bigger bore!
Well, you have done, and are further doing a good job of proving this.
HA HA!! You have GOT to be kidding me!! Those are the TEAR DOWN photos of Andrew's engine! Note that there's few photos in that album compared to the others? Well thats because we had an SD card full of pics fail and we lost them.
I was talking about your BASIC rebuild not bigger bore! I'm not comparing your bigger bore option to my stock rebuilds!
Martin, I do not offer a "stock rebuild". 100% of my engines feature larger bore sizes, from the Street Performer with it's first up size in bore, to the Track Performer, and Track Performer Plus.
100% of ALL ENGINES that we build from scratch receive Nickies cylinders. In the instances where we must utilize a stock bore size due to class rules (spec 996 and Spec Boxster) we still utilize Nickies for those engines. Nickies are now PCA legal as of 2015 in all classes except Specbox, and they were included in 2016.
The RND program satisfies the needs for anyone to have a stock replacement engine. With the RND program in place, (Engines available through SSF Auto Parts) 100% of Flat 6 Innovations engines are Performance Engines.
Again, we do not offer a stock replacement engine. I don't know where you get this info from, but its clear that you don't process the info that you read very well. The smallest bore size that we now use is 101mm.
The largest M96 factory bore size was 99mm, found only in the M97.01 engine.
Go back to the drawing board, Martin, or just quit posting. That said, we have completely hi-jacked and robed this original poster of his thread. We should both apologize and let him have his thread back.
100% of my engines feature larger bore sizes, from the Street Performer with it's first up size in bore, to the Track Performer, and Track Performer Plus.
It sure be nice if we can get info on these various engine packages without having to attend a webinar. But of course you'll say something about "the enemy" yada yada yada...
05-10-2016, 01:31 AM
I was still in Chicago freezing my butt off and needed a fire starter for my fireplace. Now I'm in Florida it's hot as hell yet still no book. Since you won't share any details unless you get a cc number please tell us what "special" components you put in your motors. Main components have been constant for years (cases, crank, heads, cams, etc...) Is your special ingredient some kind of magic dust, touch of an angel or what else? I see your pics on fb, looks like some parts need a thorough cleaning and I saw some rust of the rods. I would never think this would happen at FSI! Good parts cleaning is a must!
In this case of basic rebuild (not bigger bore option):
