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11-08-2010, 09:01 AM
#62
3rd Gear
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Suggestions to UCR
Really? When I was a UCR member, suggestions were solicited from the membership. I made several suggestions, and pretty much every one of them got tossed aside, with a "no, we're not interested in moving in that direction" response. For example, I noticed in the financials that DEs were money makers for the club. Not huge, but still in the black. So I suggested weekday DEs, with the lower cost and the different turnout, as many other groups run these successfully, and many people (such as myself) find it much easier to take a day off work than devote a weekend to a DE. "Not interested" was the response. I suggested DEs at other less-expensive tracks that were closer to the GTA than Shannonville. Again, "Not interested". (though I do believe 1 or 2 have occurred at TMP since then). I gave up after that.
As posted previously in this thread, clubs such as UCR are always looking for volunteers. The desperation for office shown in this election is an aberation.
11-08-2010, 09:29 AM
#63
Race Car
No, you're right, there was more to it, I just summed it up. Here's the thread, if anyone cares to read it:
http://www.pcaucr.org/index.php/nonucr/postlist/2/6275
Basically, a small degree of interest was expressed, but nothing came of it. My impression was that it would be a fair amount of effort to setup, and several reasons were put forth why NOT to do it. Personally, I've always worked from a perspective of trying to find ways to make things happen, rather than reasons to not try in the first place. I got the impression the exec was coming from the other perspective.
IIRC, the thread was started in response to Rob Sutherland's request for ideas for the club to make more money, as the financials were in the red at the time. I looked at them in the same way I look at my own company's financials, look at what's making money, and see how to exploit that. That's how businesses get ahead. True, the club is non-profit and volunteer run but if your books are in the red, you have to think like a business to get out of it. That was the real frustration I found. They asked for suggestions, a very viable one was presented, they chose to ignore it.
This is really making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill, though. It wasn't the reason I let my membership lapse, just part of the general culture that I wasn't getting anything out of.
http://www.pcaucr.org/index.php/nonucr/postlist/2/6275
Basically, a small degree of interest was expressed, but nothing came of it. My impression was that it would be a fair amount of effort to setup, and several reasons were put forth why NOT to do it. Personally, I've always worked from a perspective of trying to find ways to make things happen, rather than reasons to not try in the first place. I got the impression the exec was coming from the other perspective.
IIRC, the thread was started in response to Rob Sutherland's request for ideas for the club to make more money, as the financials were in the red at the time. I looked at them in the same way I look at my own company's financials, look at what's making money, and see how to exploit that. That's how businesses get ahead. True, the club is non-profit and volunteer run but if your books are in the red, you have to think like a business to get out of it. That was the real frustration I found. They asked for suggestions, a very viable one was presented, they chose to ignore it.
This is really making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill, though. It wasn't the reason I let my membership lapse, just part of the general culture that I wasn't getting anything out of.
11-08-2010, 11:01 AM
#65
Rennlist Member
Chris,
I believe that UCR has run some weekday events both this year and last...so your request actually was fulfilled. One of those days was only $50 (which went to charity) sponsored by Michelin, and I think 3 run groups.
I believe that UCR has run some weekday events both this year and last...so your request actually was fulfilled. One of those days was only $50 (which went to charity) sponsored by Michelin, and I think 3 run groups.
11-08-2010, 11:31 AM
#66
Drifting
After 3 or 4 posts here, you:
1. Have advice to our moderator.
2. Tell us we're 'territorial'?
Reminds me why I don't attend pitifully supported UCR meetings. Someone is sending you a message but you’re not hearing...
Too bad I can't shop around for different PCA regions for membership. I've never seen crap like this in over 25 years of being a member in CASC and SCCA. Oh, and you can keep your Buzz beer.
Here's Territorial...
1. Have advice to our moderator.
2. Tell us we're 'territorial'?
Reminds me why I don't attend pitifully supported UCR meetings. Someone is sending you a message but you’re not hearing...
Too bad I can't shop around for different PCA regions for membership. I've never seen crap like this in over 25 years of being a member in CASC and SCCA. Oh, and you can keep your Buzz beer.
Here's Territorial...
11-08-2010, 12:27 PM
#67
Burning Brakes
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Make it stop.......... this began as something that political BS and it has continued to get worse.
The actual membership numbers of the UCR don't represent the subtotal of people active with the UCR events. The reason for that is understood by anyone who's followed this thread.
Politics and cars don't mix, or politics and recreation for that matter. Stuff it and lets move on.
The actual membership numbers of the UCR don't represent the subtotal of people active with the UCR events. The reason for that is understood by anyone who's followed this thread.
Politics and cars don't mix, or politics and recreation for that matter. Stuff it and lets move on.
11-08-2010, 03:08 PM
#68
Team Owner
Come on chopperz you have to admit this is pretty entertaining .. and as mentioned above this thread has over a thousand views ...
I have been a PCA member for 15 years and a Rennlist member since it was a mailing list so for about the same time. I can tell you without question the Rennlist group is a solid bunch of guys that would never turn on each other have a lot of fun together.Sure we tend to disagree at times and get into some heated discusions but at the end of the day the group doesn't sound as nearly as fragmented as UCR apears to be.
There are some great guys over there such as Bill, Peter, and Ken but for the most part the UCR needs to give there collective heads a shake .. the fact the " Rennlist guys" are becoming so popular amongst Porsche owners should be sending UCR a very strong message ... what are the rennlist guys doing that the UCR guys are missing ?
I have been a PCA member for 15 years and a Rennlist member since it was a mailing list so for about the same time. I can tell you without question the Rennlist group is a solid bunch of guys that would never turn on each other have a lot of fun together.Sure we tend to disagree at times and get into some heated discusions but at the end of the day the group doesn't sound as nearly as fragmented as UCR apears to be.
There are some great guys over there such as Bill, Peter, and Ken but for the most part the UCR needs to give there collective heads a shake .. the fact the " Rennlist guys" are becoming so popular amongst Porsche owners should be sending UCR a very strong message ... what are the rennlist guys doing that the UCR guys are missing ?
11-08-2010, 03:10 PM
#69
Team Owner
Well i gotta tell ya i am there quite often .. the fact you didn't know that or who i am may be the root of the whole problem with UCR ... i don't track therefore no one knows who i am ...
11-08-2010, 03:19 PM
#70
Team Owner
What's that? Your friends and family don't talk to you anymore? Oh... now I understand why some people get concerened of losing power in the club. You alienated yourself from friends and family because of your self serving personality. Now, because you have enough money to buy a Porsche, you think that others who own the cars should somehow bow to your commands. You have no life outside of the club because you are a ***** by nature... I feel sorry for you if anybody that meets that description is reading this post. But do yourself a favour, sell the Porsche, visit a therapist, and learn how to interact with your family and try to develop friendships outside of a club. UCR members are only being nice to you because they have too... not because they want too...
okay okay .. i couldn't pass up such a kodak moment ...
11-08-2010, 03:48 PM
#72
Team Owner
very true ... and even the guys who don't like me at least know who i am .. who also happen to be in the majority .. especially now after my 911 post has been made public .. ( thanks Adam) .. I better stay away from the lynching tree ...
.. especially now after my 911 post has been made public .. ( thanks Adam) .. I better stay away from the lynching tree ...
11-08-2010, 03:58 PM
#73
Burning Brakes
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Come on chopperz you have to admit this is pretty entertaining .. and as mentioned above this thread has over a thousand views ...
I have been a PCA member for 15 years and a Rennlist member since it was a mailing list so for about the same time. I can tell you without question the Rennlist group is a solid bunch of guys that would never turn on each other have a lot of fun together.Sure we tend to disagree at times and get into some heated discusions but at the end of the day the group doesn't sound as nearly as fragmented as UCR apears to be.
There are some great guys over there such as Bill, Peter, and Ken but for the most part the UCR needs to give there collective heads a shake .. the fact the " Rennlist guys" are becoming so popular amongst Porsche owners should be sending UCR a very strong message ... what are the rennlist guys doing that the UCR guys are missing ?
I have been a PCA member for 15 years and a Rennlist member since it was a mailing list so for about the same time. I can tell you without question the Rennlist group is a solid bunch of guys that would never turn on each other have a lot of fun together.Sure we tend to disagree at times and get into some heated discusions but at the end of the day the group doesn't sound as nearly as fragmented as UCR apears to be.
There are some great guys over there such as Bill, Peter, and Ken but for the most part the UCR needs to give there collective heads a shake .. the fact the " Rennlist guys" are becoming so popular amongst Porsche owners should be sending UCR a very strong message ... what are the rennlist guys doing that the UCR guys are missing ?
I'll even step further out on a limb and suggest that out of the 1300+ views that there has been a much smarter group of US PCA leadership members who are actively documenting a "what not to do" manual for their existing/future regional leadership teams.
Probably saying, "did you see what those idiots did in Canada, dang those boys are crazy"
11-08-2010, 04:16 PM
#74
Rennlist Member
I totally agree that it's entertaining, I'm even willing to suggest the the UCR guys in the middle of it all are wishing they never brought their soiled panties into this arena.
I'll even step further out on a limb and suggest that out of the 1300+ views that there has been a much smarter group of US PCA leadership members who are actively documenting a "what not to do" manual for their existing/future regional leadership teams.
Probably saying, "did you see what those idiots did in Canada, dang those boys are crazy"
I'll even step further out on a limb and suggest that out of the 1300+ views that there has been a much smarter group of US PCA leadership members who are actively documenting a "what not to do" manual for their existing/future regional leadership teams.
Probably saying, "did you see what those idiots did in Canada, dang those boys are crazy"
11-08-2010, 04:30 PM
#75
Team Owner
I totally agree that it's entertaining, I'm even willing to suggest the the UCR guys in the middle of it all are wishing they never brought their soiled panties into this arena.
I'll even step further out on a limb and suggest that out of the 1300+ views that there has been a much smarter group of US PCA leadership members who are actively documenting a "what not to do" manual for their existing/future regional leadership teams.
Probably saying, "did you see what those idiots did in Canada, dang those boys are crazy"
I'll even step further out on a limb and suggest that out of the 1300+ views that there has been a much smarter group of US PCA leadership members who are actively documenting a "what not to do" manual for their existing/future regional leadership teams.
Probably saying, "did you see what those idiots did in Canada, dang those boys are crazy"