AaronB

I agree completely. I've been following many US and Canadian websites to find a used 996 (autotrader.ca and .com, cars.com, porsche dealers in Canada and Michigan/New York), and there just isn't enough selection in Canada to find what I want. Regardless of price. If I can find the exact car I want in the US, and save 25 grand in the process, then that's where I'll go.

trickydisco

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Rob951

Pongobaz, I'm sure the dealer is happy you didn't tell anyone about the service you received. I bet they appreciate your discretion Atta boy. Best wishes on your dish to be served cold, please, post the pics

As for this American car vs. Canadian car?? Silly me, I thought they were German cars??

Lastly, QIK, cars as envestments?? Please, don't post any stock tips here.

qik1320

this can go on until the end of time...everybody here is going to look after their best interest...you think I don't understand the savings and selection the states have to offer...I chose a canadian dealer car cause then I have someone local who would step up for me should this car run into trouble ...I don't want the hassles that you guys have been subjected to...it's really that simple, the US car issue is nothing new. Realistically we both have pros and cons to our approach on this and yes...I think we all have a little faith in our Porsche's investment value.

and please leave the 87 911 out of this..I'm justing helping a buddy of mine

speed12sil

If I was trying to invest in something I'd go with gold instead of a lil' 996tt. There's a report in Asia(I won't say where) where someone made 1 million USD just by buying gold then selling it 3 years later. Of course in order to do something like that I'd need a lot of money to start with

rebe1

When did you purchase your car? This 3-4 week wait policy was supposedly only in effect starting July 1st of this year.

Jamie140

Wow, qik, you over-paid even for a Canadian car.

Here's what you need to do. Write to Pfaff and reference this thread. Tell him there's a lot of guys who'll be going to DFC or independants if his policy doesn't change and tell him you intend to post his answer here. Should be interesting.

Christien

My question is, why would you go to the dealership for service in the first place? Unless it's warranty work, I can't think of any reason. The dealerships charge what, $110, $120/hr for labour? The independents charge more like $55-$100/hr, and would be every bit as qualified to work on any model 911 as the dealerships. True, some specialise in certain vintages (Augustus in St. Catherines for air-cooled, GTek for 996) but just find the right one, save a bundle and get better, faster and friendlier service. The only thing slow about Mantis is that they like to chat! I've learned more about my car from Heiko than anywhere except the Pelican forums. There's no way I'd trust the shop guys at Pfaff or Downtown with my 72. They'd probably look at the right rear quarter panel and question why the gas filler was there.

NOBLEGT3

is that a pretty little ***** car?? looks nasty

LastGT3

Listen...I have a Canadian car and I choose to get service where it is the quickedts and most painless. This thread just confirms to me that , despite that fact that repair work is a money maker for most dealerships, the dealerships intentionally drive people like me away with these non-capitalism antics.
The fact is I am NOT being screwed by US cars coming to Canada (since they were alway inportable), but by the fact that the dealer feels that I should pay 1.4 what my brother does in the US for a German car. So, perhaps my analysis is that :
1. I want to give you (CDA) business but you are playing games;
2. You expect to rip me off - which just incenses me because there is 0 justification except that "we can".

As a customer, CDN dealers claim they are protecting my GT3's re-sale value by creating the aritificial market condition by generating the illusion that a German car sold in US vs Canada is different. That is horse**** - Listen, they are not protecting me since paying up-front depreciation on a 1.4 factor price is MUCH worse than paying 1.1 and depreciating that. The fact is my residual for a 4 year lease is huge to the point that when it comes time to give her back or keep, the buyout will be about the same as Subaru STi! (That residula was calculated before the dollar moved up).

The best way to protect a Canadian is not make them vulnerable to a 10-12X market with US vehicles that can 1. legally cross the border, 2. have NA-wide Warranty, 3. are physically IDENTICAL to us CDN cars. Effectively, dealers should not create a high price that is unjustified for their value in that NA-market.

Of course, if Canada only got the Eu 997GT3RS (cage, seats, windows), and US did not, then we would have perhaps a 1.4 ratio but the value in CDA would be protected!

PS - this goes for GM, etc....

pongobaz

I have a ***** car? Cool! Now I know why she likes being ridden hard and put away wet!

Your logic is a bit flawed here. The difference for me was almost 30K vs buying from the dealers. Sorry but no salesman's time with me is worth that much! Besides, if you read my post thoroughly you'll see that I gave them every opportunity to find me a car for 7 months and they couldn't! there is simply not enough inventory and I was not going to accept some subpar off-lease overpriced vehicle just to make the salesman feel all warm and fuzzy. Also some dealers and individuals are adamant that these US "***** cars" will be worth substantially less than their CDN counterparts at resale...yeah right. I find it hard to believe that in 3-4 years if I chose to sell my car, it will be worth 30K less than the same CDN car; if you believe that, you must also beleive that cars are "investments".
Yes dealers are in a bind, afterall more than 1000 Porsches have been imported in since the start of the year (from very good sources BTW), but they are more pissed at PCNA then individual owners. Unfortunately they've chosen to take it out on the end-users; kinda like when the TTC goes on strike to protest against management but the people that feel the most pain are the commuters. Porsche like many OEM, looks at Canada as an almost insignificant percentage of the retail numbers worldwide so there is very little incentive for them to find a proper solution.
As for getting the most from money the old adage of: buyer beware must apply. Due diligence, as has been mentioned a few times is YOUR responsability. If you feel you over paid for your TT, then you have no one to blame but yourself.
Finally if the dealers are so concerned about protecting the value for their past customers, why do they always lowball you when it comes time to trade it in?

AaronB

Well said.

fdss

Buddy, the reason why prices are dropping on turbos is the market is flooded with them. Period. Do some research on how many 993tt were made compared to 996tt. I have seen 993tt going for not far off what 996tt are going for, even in the US. Why, because fewer 993tt were made. Porsche flooded the market because of greed! There is an oversupply of 996tt, just like there is an oversupply of N.A. cars because of flooding the market selling to daily rentals, etc.

What should be happening is dealers PCNA adjust the prices to reflect their competition south of the border when lease cars are returned. N.A. car manufacturers and dealers are doing this. The only other choice is to reduce the 997tt availability to hold their values.

theiceman

I bet it won't be long ( IF NOT ALREADY ) you will be seeing the same trend in Turbos as we are seeing in non turbos. The 993TT selling for more than the 996TT.

Both nice cars ... but there is just something special about that darned 993 that is causing it to hang in there.

Christien

I'm sure that's already the case in a few pristine examples of 993TT. Bruce Anderson's column in the Jan (?) Excellence noted 993 prices are finally started to drop, and charted a small decline in prices over the last couple years.

I agree the 993s are definitely special, but I think the build quality of the 996s just emphasizes that. Weren't 996's the first "mass-produced" 911? Porsche is not exempt from mistakes, and prices reflect that - midyears and 996s stand out in my mind. I think when the 997 was released it put them back on track, triggering a quick shift from 996 to 997, hence the drop in price. The 993 has been called the perfect Porsche, so put it next to the (comparitively cheaply-made) 996 and the difference is all the more striking.