Maxem

Good point John. My general rule is NZ new, which has seen me right in terms of newer euro cars. I would do UK for newer stuff as there is that familiarity seeing service books and being able to find out a bit about their past history relatively easily in these modern times if you want to. Jap imports? Not for me for anything european and newish. I'd do an older 911 if it has been here for ages and has been turned inside out.
As they get older, country of first residence becomes less relevant - Like a 1970 LHD 911.

nzskater

It's back on Trademe, unsure why.

While writing this a red C2 drove past me on the Hopetoun bridge. They do look good. You made a great decision Doug

John McM

Still has "this vehicle is sold" on the listing I was watching.

John McM

Chris, you could do a lot worse than buy something like this and strip the white c4 to give a track ready car in quick time.

pcarplayer

Thats what i was thought too It seems a active board this. last post last night was almost 01:00 and the earliest this morning at 5:30.

I'm willing to wait for the right car. It will give me more time to do more research and feed my ailment.

I'll keep my eye out. Do you go as part of the porsche club or as part of other events?

No i've noticed that. I've had my eye on trademe for a while now and good ones are seem to to as rare as rocking horse s**t

Thanks!

No it wasn't me I'm very curious as to why it was so cheap, even for a reasonably high miler. If you don't have TM on an intravenous drip it seems you will miss out

I may have seem that car too. I made a point to follow it over the bridge. The one i saw was a rose-red c4

John McM

The mobile app is the game changer. I (over)use it due to the quick notification of posts. Plus we know each other past the anonymous posts.

We are mostly Porsche Club members, but formed a group to get more track time than the club organises. Most of us are long term Porsche nuts with significant knowledge of the cars. Well at least we knows what costs are to fix some of them!

The red C2 never made it to Trademe and that's what you risk by using that as a selection source.

Personally I believe buying advice has moved past the earlier bogies of flywheels, gaskets etc. it's now about condition as items like oil lines can cost more than a clutch to fix.

By all means educate yourself online, but you will advance the effort by months if you see us at HD.

Macca

Fair call John. I must confess I didnt seek to find sideways in the 993 over the years. However after a wet Puke PCNZ DE in 2003 and a few other wet driving moments I confess to not finding it as intimidating any more. Infact in a controlled environment it can be damn right fun. I think we need to find a big empty carpark on the SITT, set up some basic "cones" and all have some fun practising driving the 911 on opposite lock! Once you break the psychological "oversteer barrier" in the 911 then you have a much greater chance of driving these cars fast. We are all told how punishing they can be on the limit so typically fear prevents us trying them on the limit, but in the right conditions you and see that limit and play on either side of it without reprise and this gives you a huge sense of empowerment IMO....

pcarplayer

Exactly why i've joined Rennlist. While the amount of knowledge online is vast but it puts us in contact with real, local people who want to share and help others.

I'll keep my eye out for visits to HD. I've tracked bikes there before (oddly while i lived in christchurch) but never driven it. I like the elevation changes but it needs to be longer and have more left hand turns

Macca

Hi Warwick. Welcome to the board. John gives some very sage advice above. Buy on condition and provenance not colour, model year or country of first registration for a 964. They are very reasonable to buy in NZ but budget 10K to get them to a nice reliable driving condition as few are maintained as well as the cars on this board. Forget model year for the C2, these are impossible enough to find on their own let alone trying to narrow it down to a model year. All the pre '91 oil leaks and DMF clutch issues have been sorted by now. Realistically Id say you have a range of perhaps 20-30 suitable cars in the country to choose from, but most of these will not change hands or will do so privately , so you will have to jump quickly when one comes up. Im pretty sure youll find something inside of 18 months, probably less if you are lucky, most people loose interest before then and buy a latter model car (996/997) as their prices are constantly falling and they do represent great value....best of luck.

PHG

Greetings Warwick. The big dilemma.. Air sucker or water cooled.. I went modern/water cooled to scratch my itch, and this good gang of P Nuts still talk to me. Look forward to meeting you sometime

John McM

Macca, there in lies the difficulty with the C4. In some of my videos Dave is quite a lot more tail happy. I've not been able to find that edge and control it. I'm not sure I want to as I sense it would be a bad outcome (less controllable in a slide).

Macca

Daves always more tail happy John. usually cause he has those old R compounds on the car he picked up cheap. They are probably heat cycled LOL!

Seriously those the C4 isnt much more sticky than the base C2. It doesn't direct alot of power up front and only when it detects slip so in the dry it drives like a 85%+ C2. I dont think it would be hard to make it step out, steer straight, sudden left then hard on the right lock under gas and that tail will arc out nicely, holding it there is switching lock and feathering gas - essentially driving on the throttle. The guys on here who have done the Mt Cotton stuff spent plenty of sideways time and its really the best way to learn power on oversteer. Hiding behind the 1990s tech 4WD system as a potential reason for being safer on road and track is a fallacy IMO. That car will still catch you out if over driven, mistake made, wet track, loss of adehesion etc so better know whats coming before it does. On the NITT I avoided a fairly significant oversteer situation by Tony in front of me in Petes C4. Im also pretty sure Pete had a similar moment himself a few weeks before on a damp HD day. You are already a very smooth and measured driver from what I am seeing, so this is great as 911s dont like jerky inputs. I thin k you are building up to be a very strong consistent and fast track driver, taking your time but building up in layers ) again I use the Newman vs McQueen analogy) but I do think its your fear of what the car will do on the limit thats holding you back the last 5% so maybe you need to put those demons to rest? I reckon we can have fun on a big bit of run off somewhere and a slightly damp surface during the SITT and all learn something new...

John McM

Z221s are probably counterproductive in that regard, they just stick. New shoes for Wednesday. Time attack on turns 2 though 4. Not going to risk attacking turn 1 when I need the car in one piece for the next month.

pcarplayer

Hi i've always fancied the aircooled cars. I remember the first time i saw a green 993 turbo 4s. I haven't forgot the feeling to this day. I saw another in the Czech Rep last year and it gave me the same feeling. Actually it was one of the more lasting memories from that trip.

Thanks Macca. That's great info. I was figuring on +/- 10k to bring a car up to good driving standard. I never really fancied a 996. Perhaps a 997 but i'm in no hurry so will hang in there.

Macca

Good idea John. Car preservation first. Looks like we have lost he Mitchels due to Barbs broken ankle, and possibly Richard due to the GT3 being out of action (though he may still bring something else). We not need any mechanical failures or track mishaps in the next few weeks taking folk out.

Yes the Z221 are too hard to easily unstick for sideways practice but the street tyres you are touring with will be perfect...