Veloce Raptor

"Bumpy has nothing to do with it" ?

Really?

Wow.

Keep digging, son

mark kibort

everyone please watch this video again. he has near 5 seconds to blip downshift and slow down and just coast though before taking a left turn toward the gate. in that 5 seconds, the car could have been near stopped with downshifts and the final left turn . Then, a nice bat turn at the end for victory would have been possible too just to get the car pointed back around.... again, if he really knew what he was doing out there.
Nothing suggested here is in ANY way dangerous. its basic driving skills at the track. you lose your brakes, blip downshift as soon as you can and ride it, steer it out, IN GEAR, not in neutral. Leaving the car in neutral is very dangerous and has NOTHING to do with track surface! (bumpy or not)

mark kibort

he was in neutral, clutch was in... thats why he was able to travel so far.. again, blip downshift and leave in gear, and you will be in better shape.

watch it again. its clearly running.. he motors a little after he passes the truck and makes another left into the hotel turn off road. (after jumping two curbs)

NO the car didnt just "fire back up" it was already running. there was no starter noise. he was coasting , put it in gear and then idled to the hotel . drove around awhile and then made his way back to the track, while going back on the highway, going the wrong direction for 100 yards with no brakes.

mark kibort

Listen , Son, you have no idea what you are barking about.
yes, "nothing to do with it" . even more reason to keep it in gear for rearward force control. once you put a car in neutral, you lose a valuable steering and stabiltiy control. you should know this.


DAVE, you are just looking for a fight here. the point is, yes, anytime you lose your brakes, you blip downshift as soon as you can. AND you dont put it in neutral or put the clutch to the floor.. thats it .... really! why are you being such an axx about it? you have lost your brakes and ended up in the beach, i have lost my brakes and made one of the fastest and slowest turns in racing..... who's technique was right?

Veloce Raptor

OMG

Shaking my head.

Knock yourself out, Mark. I just hope nobody follow your advice.

Clearly linzman is correct about you and Tristan , Peter, Frank, me, and so many others are wrong about this situation in this corner on this track ...

mark kibort

what a stretch Dave, you being wrong here!
This corner of the track, has noting to do with the technique that can save your car or life upon brake failure. THE GUY PUT THE CAR IN NEUTRAL ? dont you see how insane that is? what, he did this because the surface was bumpy? common. again, he had 5 seconds watch the video. he could have bliped and shifted twice and had that car almost stopped welll before the gate and easily made the alternate turn 7 right if he did it right.
so yes, you , Peter, especially tristan, (if he thinks he did the best he could) are absolutely incorrect! without question. anyone that races here would know this.
you and peter just have to be right.. im trying to make others safe. big difference.

Again, if folks DO follow my advice, especially in this situation, you would end up slowing and have more control in doing so. its a easy act to perform.
going through a turn runout in neutral is almost suicide! why take the chance of hurting the car or you if you dont have too. leave it in gear at least! at best, downshift by blip and shift to the lowest gears you can. the topping force and slowing distance will surprise you ....

dont take my word for it Dave, try it!

sbelles

There was a lot of torque on that gate. Or was it HP?

Texas RS

Doug,

He obviously isn't a pro!

Carrera51

With headphones on you can hear 3 times where it sounds like he blips the throttle after re firing the car. Reminds me of a NASCAR race after the call to start engines. You don't really hear the starter turn just a whap of engine noise. Hopefully the driver chime in.

ProCoach

Sheesh...

mark kibort

even more reason to show that it was a serious error to put in the clutch. again, 2 blip downshifts, keeps the rear whee decel forces engaged.
Im not sayng you are right, but that is the OTHER risk too. put the clutch in and the engine dies, and you lose another tool to save yourself.

when you have brake failure.. it should be "blip, shift" and then steer!, repeat as low as you can go in the gears. you will be stopped in short order!

Carrera51

If the car died when he pushed the clutch in when beginning to downshift he would have had to focus on steering (without the help of power steering) around the bend before attempting to re-fire the car. This is all speculation on my part but I swear when listening with good ear buds it sounds like the car shuts off.

mark kibort

i thought you were smarter than that Peter!! as racers we have many ways to make the car do what we want to do. fist of all , with a sequential , dog gear box, you can do things that you just cant do in H pattern cars. In this case, it has nothing to do with downshifting to slow the car down, but downshifting quickly with no blips( part of the reason to do that) so that it DOES spin and he can get spining forces to get slowing friction from the tires. very smart move!!!

now, try to wrap your braiin around this Peter, this doesnt mean that if he was going straight in the senaero we are discussing he wouldnt keep the car straight and slow the car by downshifts and blipping downshifts as well.... two different situations... can you appreciate that.
instictively, i would hope that all of us would have dont that to slow the car down!

of course he was not wrong. different situation. sometimes inducing a spin is the right thing to do. however, if that happened earlier in the turn, he could have blipped downshift and not put steering input to spin, but stay straight and might have made the turn, but it would have to be quite a bit earlier. that's a fast entrance . much faster than the OP video of turn 7 which i estimate to be around 130mph.

edit: watching it several times again, and looking at the high speed entrance capability of turn17, i might have been inclined to downshift and not spin the car. there is a LOT of real estate on the right.... there is a chance he could have slowed near as much by not spinning and actually made the turn. thats major monday morning quarterbacking, and maybe a coin toss left for the guy at the wheel at that time of the situation (brake rotor explode or brake line, etc)
there is 6 seconds before wall impact after rotor explodes. the question is would downshifting alone get him to a near turn in speed?

mark kibort

I dont think it matters much .. even more the reason for him to have blip downshifts.. he was a runnaway train once the clutch went in. again, there is 6 seconds of time available to slow the car down with the engine. he just rode it out and got lucky. if he had killed the engine, you would have heard the stater motor anyway, which i didnt hear at all. regardless, downshifting would have saved the front end of the car.

ProCoach

Umm, no.

His approach speed is between 154-159 mph. Turn in speed is 69-74 mph.

And when the rotor exploded, the pistons came out of the caliper and he had no pressure to the other brake(s) after that, either.

Monday morning quarterbacking, indeed.