FredC

Gary you made an adroit mockery of the passenger seat when you installed mini lawn chair in your car 3 years ago. )))

Veloce Raptor

I have recommended to several clients that they install either a child seat or a child booster seat. one did...

sbelles

I for one, welcome our benevolent overlords.

multi21

There are a lot of similarities between PCA and the FIA... think about that for awhile.

sbelles

^Godwin's law might kill this thread yet. :-)

garrett376

They wouldn't pass tech though:
"Seats are free as long as the driver’s seat meets the safety requirements, and the passenger seat provides at least as much passenger protection as the stock seat."

multi21

I had to google that as it was only put in the Oxford English Dictionary in 2012.

I think I've already gone to that level in the Spanish GP thread.

Gary R.

A mokery I tell thee!!!! And an adroit one at that!!!

Veloce Raptor

Actually, a quality child seat with 5 or 6 point harnesses provides a whole lot more protection that a stock seat that has only 3. The rules don't say for an adult...now do they?

Weston Dillard

I was the Steward for that race, and I felt we had a good working relationship the the POC leadership. We both had some challenges we had to deal with and I felt we worked as a team to overcome them. For example, we made plans to be sure POC cars all got to run with the guys in their POC class, even if the car didn't fit in the same PCA class, so they could get proper POC points. If the POC leadership felt mistreated or disrespected, the did not tell me.

As for tech - there are 2 levels of tech with PCA, a full tech where a log book is assigned, and paper tech, where the logbook is examined and a determination is made whether the car needs to be physically looked at. POC does this slightly differently (I believe the shops sort of pre-tech) so that was a challenge, because PCA does tech ourselves. Two of our So Cal Scruts (who are also shop owners with POC customers) arranged and completed a number of full techs on POC cars before the event. They also showed up to help get the POC folks through tech at the track as quickly as possible. We absolutely did not do full tech on cars that already had a PCA logbook, though we likely looked at some, especially if they had not run with us in a few years. That's standard practice.

I can understand why this seemed like a pain to racers, but most seemed to take it in stride. It was a great event. I made a point to talk to a lot of POC folks and they seemed to enjoy it. The PCA folks certainly enjoyed having them. Your assertion that PCA's unwillingness to accept POC tech killed the chances of doing it again in '14 makes no sense to me. All 80 cars who raced last year now have PCA logbooks and would just need a quick paper tech.

This is the first I have heard about the issue with your Club Secretary. Sounds like an unfortunate misunderstanding.

West

the_vetman

Let's get the thread back on topic, guys. Between all the PCA vs. POC and the POC board member with a history of chronic criticism of PCA CR, we're going OT off the deep end here.

Since we all know how easy it is to be a bench racer (or an amateur racer, for that matter), let me play one myself. On the video OP posted a few pages back, the inside Cup car is clearly at fault. Tons of room on the inside and it is way off the tire "wall". Look at the track-out angle - there was NO WAY that 2 or 3 cars could go through that turn together with the angle he took.

So, either A) slow down more and keep tightly to the left side of the turn to avoid accident, or B) don't, and plow into the outside Cup car as he did. If the outside Cup had reacted and gone wide to avoid the hit, we'd be hearing about the outside car having been "run off the road" by the inside car.

See? Easy.

Gary R.

But but but... this is Rennlist!

esscape26

No offense, but I just expected something more dramatic in the film from the broken hand and anger....I say both at fault, racing deal side by side. But I have no idea what the rationale is for PCA decisions, no matter how many times I hear it; seen them go all kinds of ways. And appealing is worthless. The same steward who made the decision can and has decided the appeal. No matter what 'PR' they put out.

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