Circuit Motorsports

which is pure crap IMO. Takes responsibility off of the front driver and it can be used as a weapon. We are out there to race and racing involves being side by side. The 8-14 year olds that I coach in karting can figure it out.

bauerjab

oh boy....here we go. seems to me it is the red car's fault... he should have known the white car was there. He didn't and then he moved over into the white car. If the red car stays in place and does not move over, both cars could have gone side by side without hitting each other. At worst, seems like a racing incident Maybe I am missing something

Doug007

Not saying NASA rules are perfect, but at least they are clear! All of these rules go by the philosophy that the car behind has the better view of the situation and therefore has more responsibility to avoid contact.

The move to the left by the red car wasn't a nice move, but the white car should have either backed off or gone to the grass to avoid.

Summit Pt looks downright scary with the berms and trees off track. Not to mention the wildlife. We get spoiled by all our runoff at the tracks down in TX!

analogmike

Yup. Burned by another video.

sbelles

Agreed but if you go in the grass there, the odds of making the next turn are not good.

rlets

I'm trying to understand. I read that the driver of the white car was DQ'd. But it sure looks to me like the white car had established himself alongside exiting T3. Why is it that the red car gets to move over on him?

911Königin

WOW!! You guys must have ***** of steel to race touching noses!!

Doug007

You need to fast forward your screen shot about 3 seconds.

The red car doesn't "get to" move over on him, but as the lead car, can dictate the line and the following car must adjust to the lead car. If the cars were actually side by side the red car wouldn't have been spun like that.

Read through the appendix and look at the 3/4 car rule and figure 10.
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf

bauerjab

Rules....rules...schmules. The overarching and dominant rule is situational awareness... And, unfortunately, it appears from the video the red car lacked it. My condolences to all drivers involved. Hghly unfortunate and expensive.

Veloce Raptor

HOLY CRAP!

mrbill_fl

I wonder if the stewards saw the white car's video....


'punting' is not the term I'd use in that situation.



and yeah, burms roll cars pretty easily. w/ armco no roll over.

bobt993

Doug,

I am sorry, but unless you have driven/raced at SP it would look a bit different.

You really have interpreted the incident a bit incorrectly.

Summit is a great track, but it takes some attachments to go two wide without a lift into T4. ( I remember going three wide once on last lap of a GTS race for positions 1,2,3!!!

BTW the track walks away on the left where the passing car was located. You run out of room.

mrbill_fl

page 95 in the pdf.

or 82 on the bottom of the document.

pg 98 is the 3/4 rule you reference?

* the only thing is this incident was on a 'straight' right?

mark kibort

RACING! wow! Always different perspectives, right.

we have the effect (and the percieved cause) and then the cause.

No wrong was done here. sure you are bent up and pissed that it happened, but in racing, these things happen and had you left more room on the exit for a car that clearly was on the inside of you, this accident wouldnt have happened. its a bummer, but there was no fault , in my eyes, by the other driver that you made contact with.

great racing though! thanks for posting the video, and very sorry about the car. that sucks!

Mark

mark kibort

https://rennlist.com/forums/10546338-post1.html

what do you guys think????

I think no fault.