Mishaps, I still don't get it.
06-07-2013, 03:39 PM
#258
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06-07-2013, 05:03 PM
#260
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I think I flagged for 15 years with SCCA -for free .
PCA, nasa, pboc, and skippy paid a flat rate around $75/day... but often there was only 1 worker per station.
-its harder that it looks to get car numbers when the field is packed. and you normally needed 2 witnesses for things like passing under yellow.
Timing and scoring was worse... before transponders. way too much like work.
-All drivers should try it. it will give you respect for that job... harder than it looks.
The other thing is when you stand at a corner you will understand why black numbers on a Red car is bad idea.
PCA, nasa, pboc, and skippy paid a flat rate around $75/day... but often there was only 1 worker per station.
-its harder that it looks to get car numbers when the field is packed. and you normally needed 2 witnesses for things like passing under yellow.
Timing and scoring was worse... before transponders. way too much like work.
-All drivers should try it. it will give you respect for that job... harder than it looks.
The other thing is when you stand at a corner you will understand why black numbers on a Red car is bad idea.
06-07-2013, 08:10 PM
#261
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Funny, but that's exactly what I was talking about. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. You still have the choice to decide what type of organization you want to build/support: One where you get ahead by bearing gifts to your over-lords, or one where you get ahead by fair competition overseen by fair arbitrators hired to enforce simple/clear rules.Have you ever been a race steward? I have. Believe me, it is no walk in the park nor is it any sort of power trip.
You may want to race with PCA first before you start making these sorts of insinuations about its stewarding.
06-07-2013, 08:37 PM
#262
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When I first started driving on the track in 1999, I was living in Boston and in with the Northeast Region of PCA (NER). They had students assigned to work around the track, such as flag stations, at most DE and AX events. I really learned a lot - about the flags and the other perspective. I remember going up to the black flag station at NHIS on more than one occasion! Up in the tower. The good old days... I wonder if they still have students doing flags... ??
06-07-2013, 08:58 PM
#263
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That's the way it use to be back in the day. Everyone but instructors had a work assignment and you would try to place a more experienced green driver with a first timer. You could learn a lot at a flag station.
06-07-2013, 09:03 PM
#264
Perfect Angel
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Funny, but that's exactly what I was talking about. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. You still have the choice to decide what type of organization you want to build/support: One where you get ahead by bearing gifts to your over-lords, or one where you get ahead by fair competition overseen by fair arbitrators hired to enforce simple/clear rules.Dude, IMO, this is WAY out of line. Not sure if you meant it that way, but it is.
Have you ever been a race steward? I have. Believe me, it is no walk in the park nor is it any sort of power trip.
You may want to race with PCA first before you start making these sorts of insinuations about its stewarding.
Have you ever been a race steward? I have. Believe me, it is no walk in the park nor is it any sort of power trip.
You may want to race with PCA first before you start making these sorts of insinuations about its stewarding.
However, there are a few (only a few) who fit hf1's quote to a T. I know this from direct experience and on more than one occasion and none because I did something stoopid on track. Arrogance and condescension. Some need a reminder that this is a membership driven organization and person to person interactions need to be in that vein. It's not a personal fiefdom. The utter lack of respect for the membership by the few can be astonishing at times. And not a little offensive.
Your experience may be different but I can tell you mine isn't uncommon.
06-07-2013, 09:15 PM
#265
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Funny, but that's exactly what I was talking about. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. You still have the choice to decide what type of organization you want to build/support: One where you get ahead by bearing gifts to your over-lords, or one where you get ahead by fair competition overseen by fair arbitrators hired to enforce simple/clear rules.In general I would agree with you VR. 98% of the volunteers are terrific and they are fellow enthusiasts and they are there because they are having fun and it shows and I whole heartedly thank them for their time and effort. I mean that 100%.
However, there are a few (only a few) who fit hf1's quote to a T. I know this from direct experience and on more than one occasion and none because I did something stoopid on track. Arrogance and condescension. Some need a reminder that this is a membership driven organization and person to person interactions need to be in that vein. It's not a personal fiefdom. The utter lack of respect for the membership by the few can be astonishing at times. And not a little offensive.
Your experience may be different but I can tell you mine isn't uncommon.
However, there are a few (only a few) who fit hf1's quote to a T. I know this from direct experience and on more than one occasion and none because I did something stoopid on track. Arrogance and condescension. Some need a reminder that this is a membership driven organization and person to person interactions need to be in that vein. It's not a personal fiefdom. The utter lack of respect for the membership by the few can be astonishing at times. And not a little offensive.
Your experience may be different but I can tell you mine isn't uncommon.
06-07-2013, 10:29 PM
#266
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Except they didn't give out any 13's, did they?
06-07-2013, 10:42 PM
#267
Burning Brakes
dude, i liked your driving. very nice. i think you did nothing wrong on that pass other than take a chance and come across someone without a side mirror who either didnt see you or didnt have regard for your presence, either way it was a chance you took and thats part of racing, nice job.
and not to be a safety prude, but if i could make one suggestion. dont do the whole disrobing, taking off helmet, ear pieces, balaclava, etc. while you're going down pit lane, into the cold pits and paddock where there tons of people, golf carts, safety volunteers etc. just hang tight 90seconds more till you get to your trailer/gargae, then do it. too distracting.
and not to be a safety prude, but if i could make one suggestion. dont do the whole disrobing, taking off helmet, ear pieces, balaclava, etc. while you're going down pit lane, into the cold pits and paddock where there tons of people, golf carts, safety volunteers etc. just hang tight 90seconds more till you get to your trailer/gargae, then do it. too distracting.
as far safety - I got it
It just me being to excited
Next time I wait little longer
I want to do T-bolt in GTC3 with 996 cup
06-08-2013, 01:15 AM
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06-08-2013, 11:04 AM
#270
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Dude, IMO, this is WAY out of line. Not sure if you meant it that way, but it is.
Have you ever been a race steward? I have. Believe me, it is no walk in the park nor is it any sort of power trip.
You may want to race with PCA first before you start making these sorts of insinuations about its stewarding.
Have you ever been a race steward? I have. Believe me, it is no walk in the park nor is it any sort of power trip.
You may want to race with PCA first before you start making these sorts of insinuations about its stewarding.
And relax, please. We're all here because we love racing and Porsches. Personally, I learn a ton from threads like these, and I hope to contribute as much as I receive.