View Poll Results: Who will win?
Felipe Massa
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Sergio Perez
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Romain Grosjean
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Nico Hulkenberg
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Esteban Gutierrez
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Paul di Resta
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Adrian Sutil
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Pastor Maldonado
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Valtteri Bottas
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Jean-Eric Vergne
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Daniel Ricciardo
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Charles Pic
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2013 Grand Prix of Canada
05-31-2013, 06:37 PM
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Hi everyone in Montreal
Anything happening with your group in Montreal on the Grand Prix week end?
I am in Ottawa and was thinking about driving to Montreal and meet so Cool Porsches.
Thanks
Anything happening with your group in Montreal on the Grand Prix week end?
I am in Ottawa and was thinking about driving to Montreal and meet so Cool Porsches.
Thanks
06-01-2013, 08:55 AM
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I'm driving up to Montreal on Thursday. There used to be a Porsche coral on Crescent but not in the last few years.
Back to the race, I think McLaren will have a good weekend if it rains on Sunday. Otherwise my money is on Merc.
Back to the race, I think McLaren will have a good weekend if it rains on Sunday. Otherwise my money is on Merc.
06-01-2013, 12:58 PM
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The Italian tyre manufacturer is adamant that the tests have "not favoured any teams".
Really, that's still your take? it's all 'fair', carry-on, nothing going on here. Like Merc didn't have 500 channels of telemetry streaming terabytes of sweet, sweet data no matter what rubber was on the car.
And although the Scuderia believe their test was "totally within the rules", the FIA have called on them as well as Mercedes to supply information for a disciplinary inquiry.
"The FIA has asked Team Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 and Scuderia Ferrari Team which have taken part in tyre tests in the 2013 season to reply to a disciplinary inquiry in pursuance of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules," said the statement.
"This follows the Stewards' Report from the Monaco Grand Prix and represents supplementary information required by the FIA in the light of the replies received from Pirelli, who were asked for clarifications on Tuesday May 28th."
Meanwhile, Pirelli reckon they have done nothing wrong and acted "professionally, with transparency and in absolute good faith."
The Italian tyre manufacturer is also adamant that the tests have "not favoured any teams/"
"The FIA has asked Team Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 and Scuderia Ferrari Team which have taken part in tyre tests in the 2013 season to reply to a disciplinary inquiry in pursuance of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules," said the statement.
"This follows the Stewards' Report from the Monaco Grand Prix and represents supplementary information required by the FIA in the light of the replies received from Pirelli, who were asked for clarifications on Tuesday May 28th."
Meanwhile, Pirelli reckon they have done nothing wrong and acted "professionally, with transparency and in absolute good faith."
The Italian tyre manufacturer is also adamant that the tests have "not favoured any teams/"
It turns out that Ferrari sent along their Corse Clienti team with an F150 for a tyre test for Pirelli two weeks before the Mercedes session. It was thought that running a two-year-old car for a test was allowed, but Article 22.1 of the sporting regulations defines exactly what cars are exempt from the in-season testing ban:
"Track testing shall be considered any track running time not part of an event undertaken by a competitor entered in the championship, using cars which conform substantially with the current Formula 1 technical regulations in addition to those from the previous or subsequent year."
Meaning that two-year-old cars are definitely out, and also cars that are substantially similar to the current, 2013 cars are out. Ferrari will immediately point out that they have entirely changed their suspension geometry since the F150, so their car is substantially different.
However the FIA still want it spelled out. On Friday night the FIA issued a statement saying it wanted both Ferrari and Mercedes to participate in its investigation.
"Track testing shall be considered any track running time not part of an event undertaken by a competitor entered in the championship, using cars which conform substantially with the current Formula 1 technical regulations in addition to those from the previous or subsequent year."
Meaning that two-year-old cars are definitely out, and also cars that are substantially similar to the current, 2013 cars are out. Ferrari will immediately point out that they have entirely changed their suspension geometry since the F150, so their car is substantially different.
However the FIA still want it spelled out. On Friday night the FIA issued a statement saying it wanted both Ferrari and Mercedes to participate in its investigation.
06-02-2013, 04:31 PM
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A few random thoughts to also consider.
1) Lauda in an interview claims that Mercedes received written permission from the FIA. If this is infant true, Mercedes should produce the bloody document and let the FIA deal with the heat.
2) currently in F1 there are only two real car manufacturers involved, Mercedes and Renault. Pirelli survives of off these relationships, of course they would give Mercedes the nod for the test.
3) Assuming the Lauda is not lying I am not sure how you fix this. How does the FIA punish Mercedes if they blessed this test but on the other hand, how do you not punish Mercedes as the improvement between Spain and Monaco was astounding.
1) Lauda in an interview claims that Mercedes received written permission from the FIA. If this is infant true, Mercedes should produce the bloody document and let the FIA deal with the heat.
2) currently in F1 there are only two real car manufacturers involved, Mercedes and Renault. Pirelli survives of off these relationships, of course they would give Mercedes the nod for the test.
3) Assuming the Lauda is not lying I am not sure how you fix this. How does the FIA punish Mercedes if they blessed this test but on the other hand, how do you not punish Mercedes as the improvement between Spain and Monaco was astounding.
06-03-2013, 03:04 PM
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I think Grosjean and Perez' situations are very similar. Their first year in a competitive car (or traditionally competitive team) with a world champion team mate and huge pressure to put up big results and prove you belong with the big boys. Its too early to make judgement, but it looks like Ferrari was right about Perez.
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06-04-2013, 10:27 AM
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06-04-2013, 02:21 PM
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Hard to not vote for a Mercedes at this track, they have the motor, chassis and now tires sorted, no big sweepers for the downforce favored RBs, but gut says Vettel is hungrier than ever, and there's going to be a big pile up and safety car at some point. Maybe see Perez and RoGro smash it out in a barrage of carbon fiber.
Track characteristics
Montreal – 4.36 kilometers. Race distance – 70 laps = 305 kilometers. 12 corners in total. A circuit made up of straights, chicanes and a hairpin
Aerodynamic setup – Medium downforce. Top speed 326km/h (with Drag Reduction System active on rear wing) – 316km/h without.
Full throttle – 60% of the lap (quite high). 15 seconds unbroken full throttle on main straight. Total fuel needed for race distance – 142 kilos (average/high).
Fuel consumption – 2.0kg per lap (average/high)
Time spent braking: 17% of lap (high). 7 braking zones. Brake wear – Very High.
Loss time for a Pit stop = 11.2 seconds (very fast)
Total time needed for pit stop: 15.2 seconds.
Fuel effect (cost in lap time per 10kg of fuel carried): 0.28 seconds (low)
Track characteristics
Montreal – 4.36 kilometers. Race distance – 70 laps = 305 kilometers. 12 corners in total. A circuit made up of straights, chicanes and a hairpin
Aerodynamic setup – Medium downforce. Top speed 326km/h (with Drag Reduction System active on rear wing) – 316km/h without.
Full throttle – 60% of the lap (quite high). 15 seconds unbroken full throttle on main straight. Total fuel needed for race distance – 142 kilos (average/high).
Fuel consumption – 2.0kg per lap (average/high)
Time spent braking: 17% of lap (high). 7 braking zones. Brake wear – Very High.
Loss time for a Pit stop = 11.2 seconds (very fast)
Total time needed for pit stop: 15.2 seconds.
Fuel effect (cost in lap time per 10kg of fuel carried): 0.28 seconds (low)
06-04-2013, 04:04 PM
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What he did with Kimi was reckless, he stuck his car in a position where he had nowhere to go but into the wall. He thought Kimi would back off, which I am glad he didn't. I used to like Perez until he recently became a liability to other drivers.
I don't like drivers affecting other's championship. This could be the case for Kimi this yr if he loses the championship by just a few points, which would be no different than last yr, where Grosjean cost Alonso a WDC.
I don't like drivers affecting other's championship. This could be the case for Kimi this yr if he loses the championship by just a few points, which would be no different than last yr, where Grosjean cost Alonso a WDC.
If/when you divebomb into a corner in a way the only outcome is that the other driver has to drive off the road or if not, you crash, it's damn reckless and nothing else.
And when you consider that the two other drivers are the best "wheel to wheel" racers out there (many examples of Kimi or Alonso going through multiple turns side by side with someone and NOT crashing), there is only one conclusion.
06-04-2013, 05:31 PM
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06-04-2013, 07:01 PM
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Has hell frozen over? Because Red Bull Racing is defending Ferrari.... 
Horner: Ferrari tyre test 'a different situation'
04 June 2013
Red Bull boss Christian Horner says the tyre tests carried out by Ferrari and Mercedes can't be compared
Horner: Ferrari tyre test 'a different situation'
Red Bull boss Christian Horner has moved to defend rivals Ferrari in the ongoing Pirelli tyre test row after the Scuderia was asked by the FIA to provide information into the test it conducted in Spain.
After news broke that Mercedes had used its 2013 car to test with Pirelli following the Spanish Grand Prix, it also emerged that Ferrari had carried out a similar test ahead of the Barcelona race.
The main difference however was that Ferrari carried out its test using a two-year-old car and for that reason, Horner said he had no issues with the Italian team's actions.
"Ferrari's position is different, even if they have used their official reserve driver, the car was not its 2013 one," he told Autosprint. "The two facts are not even comparable.
“What do we expect from the FIA after our complaint? That the matter be analysed quickly and fairly.”
Horner did concede however that Mercedes weren't the only ones to blame for the current situation and that some of the fault lay with Pirelli.
“Everyone in F1 is subject to the rules,” he said, “teams, drivers and suppliers, such as Pirelli itself. The rules also apply to them.”
Horner: Ferrari tyre test 'a different situation'
04 June 2013
Red Bull boss Christian Horner says the tyre tests carried out by Ferrari and Mercedes can't be compared
Horner: Ferrari tyre test 'a different situation'
Red Bull boss Christian Horner has moved to defend rivals Ferrari in the ongoing Pirelli tyre test row after the Scuderia was asked by the FIA to provide information into the test it conducted in Spain.
After news broke that Mercedes had used its 2013 car to test with Pirelli following the Spanish Grand Prix, it also emerged that Ferrari had carried out a similar test ahead of the Barcelona race.
The main difference however was that Ferrari carried out its test using a two-year-old car and for that reason, Horner said he had no issues with the Italian team's actions.
"Ferrari's position is different, even if they have used their official reserve driver, the car was not its 2013 one," he told Autosprint. "The two facts are not even comparable.
“What do we expect from the FIA after our complaint? That the matter be analysed quickly and fairly.”
Horner did concede however that Mercedes weren't the only ones to blame for the current situation and that some of the fault lay with Pirelli.
“Everyone in F1 is subject to the rules,” he said, “teams, drivers and suppliers, such as Pirelli itself. The rules also apply to them.”
06-04-2013, 09:13 PM
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Has hell frozen over? Because Red Bull Racing is defending Ferrari....
Horner: Ferrari tyre test 'a different situation'
04 June 2013
Red Bull boss Christian Horner says the tyre tests carried out by Ferrari and Mercedes can't be compared
Horner: Ferrari tyre test 'a different situation'
Red Bull boss Christian Horner has moved to defend rivals Ferrari in the ongoing Pirelli tyre test row after the Scuderia was asked by the FIA to provide information into the test it conducted in Spain.
After news broke that Mercedes had used its 2013 car to test with Pirelli following the Spanish Grand Prix, it also emerged that Ferrari had carried out a similar test ahead of the Barcelona race.
The main difference however was that Ferrari carried out its test using a two-year-old car and for that reason, Horner said he had no issues with the Italian team's actions.
"Ferrari's position is different, even if they have used their official reserve driver, the car was not its 2013 one," he told Autosprint. "The two facts are not even comparable.
“What do we expect from the FIA after our complaint? That the matter be analysed quickly and fairly.”
Horner did concede however that Mercedes weren't the only ones to blame for the current situation and that some of the fault lay with Pirelli.
“Everyone in F1 is subject to the rules,” he said, “teams, drivers and suppliers, such as Pirelli itself. The rules also apply to them.”
Horner: Ferrari tyre test 'a different situation'
04 June 2013
Red Bull boss Christian Horner says the tyre tests carried out by Ferrari and Mercedes can't be compared
Horner: Ferrari tyre test 'a different situation'
Red Bull boss Christian Horner has moved to defend rivals Ferrari in the ongoing Pirelli tyre test row after the Scuderia was asked by the FIA to provide information into the test it conducted in Spain.
After news broke that Mercedes had used its 2013 car to test with Pirelli following the Spanish Grand Prix, it also emerged that Ferrari had carried out a similar test ahead of the Barcelona race.
The main difference however was that Ferrari carried out its test using a two-year-old car and for that reason, Horner said he had no issues with the Italian team's actions.
"Ferrari's position is different, even if they have used their official reserve driver, the car was not its 2013 one," he told Autosprint. "The two facts are not even comparable.
“What do we expect from the FIA after our complaint? That the matter be analysed quickly and fairly.”
Horner did concede however that Mercedes weren't the only ones to blame for the current situation and that some of the fault lay with Pirelli.
“Everyone in F1 is subject to the rules,” he said, “teams, drivers and suppliers, such as Pirelli itself. The rules also apply to them.”
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