Dangers on Track
06-21-2012, 02:23 PM
#136
Have you ever heard of this visual ability we have to see in the periphery of where are looking?
When someone lets me by, assuming I am not busy with steering input, shifting, or battling for position in a race, I acknowledge that with a wave or some other kind of positive hand gesture. The wave happens after I have passed them and I am in front of them. They don't have to be intently focused on me in my cockpit to notice the wave. I don't expect a wave back and don't look for one. Basically, I acknowledge the courtesy if I have the cycles and I am on a straight part of the track.
Maybe they don't even see the wave because they are busy. That's fine. This is not the interactive process you seem to think it is.
Scott
06-21-2012, 02:59 PM
#139
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Nah, it's you.
This is important stuff and should take at least four more pages to wind down.
As a minimum, it's inspired me to retrofit my cup holder. I should be able to wave without spilling my coffee now...
This is important stuff and should take at least four more pages to wind down.
As a minimum, it's inspired me to retrofit my cup holder. I should be able to wave without spilling my coffee now...
06-21-2012, 03:01 PM
#140
Sorry I didn't read all the other 120 posts before I posted, I've got a real job to do.
Please refer to the words in bold. Please quote or refer to any statisics or history to support your theory that hand waiving is or has caused accidents or bodily harm on a race surface. Your opinion is just that, an opinion. If you can back up your claim that it should be banned with scientific proof, then I'll back you all the way.
Based on your claim that you have many years of track experience and find this practice "dangerous", I would have real reservations on driving on a track with someone such as yourself. No offense. Conversly, if you find that my hand waving is too dangerous for you to be on the track with me, you should refrain from being on the track when I'm on the track as I might cause damage to you or your car.
Please refer to the words in bold. Please quote or refer to any statisics or history to support your theory that hand waiving is or has caused accidents or bodily harm on a race surface. Your opinion is just that, an opinion. If you can back up your claim that it should be banned with scientific proof, then I'll back you all the way.
Based on your claim that you have many years of track experience and find this practice "dangerous", I would have real reservations on driving on a track with someone such as yourself. No offense. Conversly, if you find that my hand waving is too dangerous for you to be on the track with me, you should refrain from being on the track when I'm on the track as I might cause damage to you or your car.
06-21-2012, 03:02 PM
#141
More of the "oh this is so beneath me" piffle. I imagine your team of support executives hang on your every command as you captain a billion dollar enterprise to record profits. I see you have an excellent Internet connection on your mega-yacht at port in Monaco.
06-21-2012, 03:04 PM
#142
How do you wave? No one is saying to lock eyes and go on a little track date. We are simply saying as you blast by someone (or maybe it's slowly motor by as they lift) give them a little wave. No extra looking, no trying to find the babe in a bikini in the stands, no other funny business, just a wave.
And for your other comments about peripheal vision causing problems, you must be a little fuzzy on what it means.
Again, I'd love to hear your critique of Leh's driving at Daytona http://youtu.be/qG-2hlPPcuo?t=1m50s
And for your other comments about peripheal vision causing problems, you must be a little fuzzy on what it means.
Again, I'd love to hear your critique of Leh's driving at Daytona http://youtu.be/qG-2hlPPcuo?t=1m50s
06-21-2012, 03:07 PM
#146
-CGT, its about situational awareness.
We all started at the same level, but some have more track time, and experience.
With that experience, you gain that situational awareness, to know what the flaggers are wearing, who is driving which car, and who is manning the starters stand.
Waiving at cars is nothing, after you have mastered the driving part.
(not unlike eating and talking on the cell phone in your daily driver. -you didn't do that when you were 16 with a learners permit.)
I have had plenty of students that have their hands completely full just keeping the car on the track, and can't focus on mirrors or point by's. -and that is just fine. We have all been there at some point.
After the session, I just explain to the other drovers.. we were working on the loose nut behind the wheel!
We all started at the same level, but some have more track time, and experience.
With that experience, you gain that situational awareness, to know what the flaggers are wearing, who is driving which car, and who is manning the starters stand.
Waiving at cars is nothing, after you have mastered the driving part.
(not unlike eating and talking on the cell phone in your daily driver. -you didn't do that when you were 16 with a learners permit.)
I have had plenty of students that have their hands completely full just keeping the car on the track, and can't focus on mirrors or point by's. -and that is just fine. We have all been there at some point.
After the session, I just explain to the other drovers.. we were working on the loose nut behind the wheel!
"In most programs we describe the progress of an adult student from:
Unconscious Incompetent - doesn't know what he doesn't know
Conscious Incompetent - knows he doesn't know it all
Unconscious Competent - can do it without having to think hard about it. This person is an Instructor Candidate and the kind of racer that can focus on race-craft. The driving part is relegated to the subconscious."
06-21-2012, 03:09 PM
#147
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06-21-2012, 03:12 PM
#149
I don't see people laughing at me so much as laughing at their own foolishness and making fools of themselves in the process of defending an indefensible position as a matter of ego, behaving in ways that they would never consider appropriate if speaking to someone in person. It's the bravery of the Web forum, the "group think" -- the proclivity to attack the person and not the topic. Imagine these same drivers standing up at the next driver's meeting and saying "okay everyone knows the flags, let's just keep it safe out there and remember to wave to thank your fellow driver for the courtesy of the point-by -- he'll be watching you like a hawk, so don't disappoint!"
06-21-2012, 03:13 PM
#150
I like something our friend Bob Rouleau said about this:
"In most programs we describe the progress of an adult student from:
Unconscious Incompetent - doesn't know what he doesn't know
Conscious Incompetent - knows he doesn't know it all
Unconscious Competent - can do it without having to think hard about it. This person is an Instructor Candidate and the kind of racer that can focus on race-craft. The driving part is relegated to the subconscious."
"In most programs we describe the progress of an adult student from:
Unconscious Incompetent - doesn't know what he doesn't know
Conscious Incompetent - knows he doesn't know it all
Unconscious Competent - can do it without having to think hard about it. This person is an Instructor Candidate and the kind of racer that can focus on race-craft. The driving part is relegated to the subconscious."
Conscious Competent - can do it but has to think about it.
Scott