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Sebastian Vettel
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Mark Webber
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Fernando Alonso
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Felipe Massa
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Kamui Kobayashi
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0
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Jamie Algersuari
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2011 Brazilian Grand Prix

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Old 11-28-2011, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ltc
Thank you.

While I am there picking it up, would you like me to also pick up the Cialis refills for the Alonso fans?
After all, a 4th place finish, 10 podiums, 1 win ... surely someone would want that to last much longer than 4 hours.
No buddy I'm good, thanks for checking. I look forward to next year maybe "radical" is what FA and Ferrari need.
Old 11-28-2011, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 9.5 Degrees
2012 saw Alonso win a race and podium 10 times. Massa finished no higher than 5th all year. That tells you the high level of driving Alonso is producing. You may be able to explain away a podium here or there, but not 10.
Alonso is the better driver than his teammate Massa. But don't forget that many times this season we witnessed Ferrari putting Massa on inferior race strategies that would benefit his teammate. Yesterday we saw it at the Brazilian Grand Prix where Ferrari kept Massa out there a long time in the hope that he was fast enough to make it hard on the Red Bulls to pass him while allowing Alonso to catch up and this happened in more than one race. It's hard to score podiums when your team is sacrificing your race to help the other guy. Yes Alonso is better than Massa, but the difference is not as big as the race results make it appear.
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Originally Posted by My993C2
Alonso is the better driver than his teammate Massa. But don't forget that many times this season we witnessed Ferrari putting Massa on inferior race strategies that would benefit his teammate. Yesterday we saw it at the Brazilian Grand Prix where Ferrari kept Massa out there a long time in the hope that he was fast enough to make it hard on the Red Bulls to pass him while allowing Alonso to catch up and this happened in more than one race. It's hard to score podiums when your team is sacrificing your race to help the other guy. Yes Alonso is better than Massa, but the difference is not as big as the race results make it appear.
And how about when M. Schumacher did the same to R. Barichello? Ferrari forced the Brazilian aside several times for the benefit of the points leader. Many people claim Schumy to be the best of all time...

Ferrari were keeping Massa out to keep Button down. Button did make the pass, but Massa made it hard on him. Massa was also staying out because the weather folks said "rain in 10 minutes". no sense changing drys for drys when the track gets wet 2 laps later.
Old 11-28-2011, 04:34 PM
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I wish it had rained yesterday.

Question for the technical engineering types: What is it about Interlagos that is so hard on transmissions? The cars today are incredibly reliable and yet, this track continues to brake trannys like it did 2 decades ago and 2 decades ago before that? Elevation changes? lateral load while going through elevation changes? Heavy engine braking on the down hill portions especially with KERS? It has to be the elevation doesn't it? That's all I can come up with that is different about this track vs. the other 18 on calender.
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Originally Posted by Pete
I wish it had rained yesterday.

Question for the technical engineering types: What is it about Interlagos that is so hard on transmissions? The cars today are incredibly reliable and yet, this track continues to brake trannys like it did 2 decades ago and 2 decades ago before that? Elevation changes? lateral load while going through elevation changes? Heavy engine braking on the down hill portions especially with KERS? It has to be the elevation doesn't it? That's all I can come up with that is different about this track vs. the other 18 on calender.
And yet it doesn't make the top three according to this article:

http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2011/6/12197.html

P.S. Vettel's tranmission problem was a ruse.
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James Allen, probably one of the most "inside" of F1 journalists wrote this moring that he saw the actual telemetry screens with the gearbox temperature data...

OK, if it was a ruse, it was a very comprehensive one.
Old 11-28-2011, 05:32 PM
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As soon as I heard tranny problems for vettel in the first quarter of the race, I thought it was contrived... As soon as Mclaren ran into the same problem, my suspicions went away.
Old 11-28-2011, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Serge944
As soon as I heard tranny problems for vettel in the first quarter of the race, I thought it was contrived... As soon as Mclaren ran into the same problem, my suspicions went away.
Yes, and Hamilton's tranny problems led to DNF while Vettel's were only "bad" enough to let Webber through....
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Originally Posted by Nizer
Yes, and Hamilton's tranny problems led to DNF while Vettel's were only "bad" enough to let Webber through....
But this is not logical since team orders are allowed. Why go through the charade?
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Originally Posted by Nizer
And yet it doesn't make the top three according to this article:

http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2011/6/12197.html

P.S. Vettel's tranmission problem was a ruse.
I read the article and it says "toughest" based on number of gear shifts, but I don't recall many tranny failures at that race.

Even if Vettel's was a rouse, what about Hamilton and the other one (lost all gears, but I cant' recall if it was Maldonado, Perez or someone else) It seems this track eats them up.
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Originally Posted by Pete
But this is not logical since team orders are allowed. Why go through the charade?
Because Webbo is too proud.
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Some drivers are fragile, but Webber is a seasoned veteran that knows Vettel is a far superior driver at this point in their careers. Even Hamilton said after Abu Dhabi that he only won because Vettel retired. If it comes out that this was all some plan to not hurt Webber's feelings then it's worse.
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Originally Posted by Pete
But this is not logical since team orders are allowed. Why go through the charade?
Because nobody will forget the black eye Ferrari earned for letting another driver through that didn't earn the position, regardless of whether the rules allow it or not.
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Originally Posted by Nizer
Because nobody will forget the black eye Ferrari earned for letting another driver through that didn't earn the position, regardless of whether the rules allow it or not.
Which time?
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Which time?
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