Carrera51

Sean got me too. So did you! I need a hug...

jrgordonsenior

Oh contraire Pierre, Yokohama was berry, berry good to me last year......

Sean F

PCA has the qualified scruts with the right tools (e.g., borescope, software readers, etc.). no need for tear down and driver doesn't have to do anything. Plus, a lot of the cheating in PCA is actually very obvious/easy to find.

Example - two years ago at the Glen they did a simple suspension check of the entire D class at the end of a session and moved 3 people up a class for violations.

Astroman

Colin, Geoffrey,
I think you guys do a great job. I just can't imagine that there are many blatant, flagrant violations. If I'm wrong, then I agree it shouldn't be so secretive. These violations should be public knowledge... I learned in residency that the threat of public humiliation is the ultimate motivator.

And I also agree with many of you; the people who are usually accused of cheating are either:
A) Really fast experienced drivers.
B) Have fresh (legal) pro-built and dyno-tuned motors.
C) Or both A and B.

bobt993

Sure JR, but even the couple sets of tires I took home are not going to pay for the race weekend. It helps, but I don't see it as a profit center.

MUSSBERGER

Not to hijack Sean but what was the violation?

Gary R.

Bump steer kits IIRC.

Sean F

IIRC - bump steer, spindle height, flares (on an early car)

MUSSBERGER

My dinosize brain was think'n that.

Chris M.

That is a GREAT idea.


D) forgot to go to the scales before the race


In addition, why is there no limit to the number of infractions one can commit? IF you get a 13 for your infraction AND you commit another one during your probation, you are out for 13 months. But when you return, you can continue to commit the infractions and all you risk is another 13 months of probation and/or another 13 month suspension. At what point are you sent packing for good?

Mark in Baltimore

I love these cheater threads.


This is what I said in the recent 993 thread. The front runners have a far higher likelihood of getting the attention of the scruts.

FredC

I like the way you think Gary.

GTgears

My position on it is that it's not my place to preach. 90% of the time I don't know what class they run the car in, or often don't even know the sanctioning body they run under. It's not part of the technical conversation.

I'll make an example. The single most popular 915 3rd gear is 1.318. That's 1 tooth shorter than the stock 1.261. Sometimes guys will run that with a 1.167 4th. Other times they will run it with a 1.080 4th. It all depends on their power and what tracks they run, redline, tire size etc. etc. Obviously the guy with the 1.167 is probably not trying to cheat and is running in a class that allows gearing. The guy running the 1.080 may or may not be trying to slip by the scrutineers in a stock class. But how am I to know?

I'm not in the business of scrutineering people. I am primarily a wholesale operation. The shops that are buying from me aren't paying me to tell them the rules. Knowing and following the rules are the car owner's and car builder's obligation. I am being paid to make people faster, and that's what I do.

And lastly, I concur with Dan Jacobs' sentiment. I think most of the guys cheating are in the middle of the pack. If their cheating starts to put them on the podium on a regular basis I think they're going to get caught. And I think they should get caught. Like others have said I personally don't see the point in it and it's not something I personally would ever condone.

Chaos

How dare you even suggest it!! Meet me at dawn with your knife. I'm bringing a gun

analogmike

I saw a guy come off track just ahead of me after a race, and and on the way to impound his mechanic tossed a bag of sand into the car under the passengers seat. I mentioned it to the scrut, but he was underweight even WITH the bad so got a DSQ. I don't know if they gave him any other penalty, he's been winning lots of races and workers choice awards since then.