Very Agressive driving with Very Scary Point of view
09-09-2009, 10:14 PM
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I don't have any problem with the move. I would have made the same move. Hell, I've made the same move in an open wheel car, in the rain.
You can't anticipate the squeeze, and even if you could, you would only get that outcome in a non-open wheel car maybe 1 out 100 times. 99 times out of 100, you rub fenders and everyone goes on with their life. It's not as if these are Formula Continentals. 3 fendered cars...you could never anticipate this outcome. Even if the door is closing, you've got a right to be there once your nose is in the hole IMO. In fendered cars, it's a perfectly acceptable move and would result in nothing more than a donut the next 99 times she tries it.
You can't anticipate the squeeze, and even if you could, you would only get that outcome in a non-open wheel car maybe 1 out 100 times. 99 times out of 100, you rub fenders and everyone goes on with their life. It's not as if these are Formula Continentals. 3 fendered cars...you could never anticipate this outcome. Even if the door is closing, you've got a right to be there once your nose is in the hole IMO. In fendered cars, it's a perfectly acceptable move and would result in nothing more than a donut the next 99 times she tries it.
09-09-2009, 10:15 PM
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09-09-2009, 10:17 PM
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It would have been just fine if people had held their line like you expect in racing. The door was at first closed and then it opened. The Spitfire held a very good straight line on the outside. You lift on the straight in a restart with 18 SRF behind you, you become a problem.
I would have taken it every time in an SRF. Not so in formula cars.
Multiple things happened that made bad happen. Exposed tires on the spitfire, the fourth person wide, the car to her right pinching back to the left. While it wasn't ideal, it was a completely acceptable and expected racing move. You're immediate overreaction by calling her a fool was poor armchair quarterbacking.
I would have taken it every time in an SRF. Not so in formula cars.
Multiple things happened that made bad happen. Exposed tires on the spitfire, the fourth person wide, the car to her right pinching back to the left. While it wasn't ideal, it was a completely acceptable and expected racing move. You're immediate overreaction by calling her a fool was poor armchair quarterbacking.
The door closed. Then opened. Then closed again. Yet she still made the move. And look at the result. You calling it acceptable is astounding.
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09-09-2009, 10:19 PM
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Hell, for all I know, there was a group of 10 SRF's bump drafting (and gaining at a high rate of speed) down the straight behind her. I would make that move 100 times out of 100 in a SRF.
09-09-2009, 10:26 PM
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No doubt in my mind. The hole doesn't "rapidly" close until she's already in the thick of it. Backing out at the rate of decel she would have needed would have piled up everyone behind her (and we have no idea from the video exactly what was behind her). When you've got a run like that in SRF (or a Spec Miata for that matter), you take it. We're talking 3 fully fendered cars here...or at least 3 cars that are supposed to be fully fendered. That outcome was the perfect storm. Nothing but a fender rub (or nothing at all since there is room for 4 cars on the straight) 999 out of 1000 times (up from 99 out of 100 in my previous post).
09-09-2009, 10:30 PM
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I won't criticize the attempted pass maneuver - but - there sure did seem to be a lot of erratic throttle application in that video, including WOT while airborne/inverted and then sliding along upside down.
09-09-2009, 10:31 PM
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No doubt in my mind. The hole doesn't "rapidly" close until she's already in the thick of it. Backing out at the rate of decel she would have needed would have piled up everyone behind her (and we have no idea from the video exactly what was behind her). When you've got a run like that in SRF (or a Spec Miata for that matter), you take it. We're talking 3 fully fendered cars here...or at least 3 cars that are supposed to be fully fendered. That outcome was the perfect storm. Nothing but a fender rub (or nothing at all since there is room for 4 cars on the straight) 999 out of 1000 times (up from 99 out of 100 in my previous post).
I would rather LFB a tiny bit & inconvenience folks behind briefly (if they were even that close) than have what happened happen. Seemed to me to be a bit of tunnel vision & brief situational unawareness caused by red mist.Professional Racing and Driving Coach
09-09-2009, 10:40 PM
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Are you really criticizing her for not releasing the throttle while flipping and sliding upside down?
09-09-2009, 10:44 PM
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Dude, the tires of the Brit car were so obviously sticking out...I knew exactly what the video would show as soon as it started. And it did. I would rather LFB a tiny bit & inconvenience folks behind briefly (if they were even that close) than have what happened happen. Seemed to me to be a bit of tunnel vision & brief situational unawareness caused by red mist.
I would rather LFB a tiny bit & inconvenience folks behind briefly (if they were even that close) than have what happened happen. Seemed to me to be a bit of tunnel vision & brief situational unawareness caused by red mist.Without 20/20 hindsight, I make that move every time without thinking twice. If that makes me overly aggressive, oh well. In 10 years of racing, I've yet to be the cause of a multi-car wreck. I think my record indicates I'm a decent judge of when to go and when not to.
09-09-2009, 10:48 PM
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I'll agree to disagree. Even with the tires on the left car, you have the hole and everyone is pointed straight down the straight. You expect everyone to be situationally aware and hold their line, and even if the hole closes, 99 out of 100 times its a non-issue even with the tires on the Brit car.
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09-09-2009, 10:50 PM
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She is a VERY experienced racer and a very safe one to boot. The move was not initated until the SRF to the right opened the gap, and she was fully committedd when that car began to drift back left [for no good reason that I can see].
The armchair quarterbacking is out of order. She has been racing SRF for many years, and the cheap shots being made here are just that. Cheap.
The armchair quarterbacking is out of order. She has been racing SRF for many years, and the cheap shots being made here are just that. Cheap.