Cheating in Club Racing....Why?
09-08-2009, 01:38 PM
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Funny thing was, at least on the cars I maintained, was that once we removed the non legal items, the drivers finished just the same. If they were the top 1-3 finishers, they stayed there. If they were the bottom end of finishers, they stayed there too, lol.
09-08-2009, 01:43 PM
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This is an unfortunate topic.
If only there was a racing series where the engines were sealed, and the transmissions were sealed, and -- heck -- even the shocks were sealed! It wouldn't stop cheating entirely, but it sure would limit the costs of trying to keep up with the field.
If only there was a racing series where the engines were sealed, and the transmissions were sealed, and -- heck -- even the shocks were sealed! It wouldn't stop cheating entirely, but it sure would limit the costs of trying to keep up with the field.
09-08-2009, 01:48 PM
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This is an unfortunate topic.
If only there was a racing series where the engines were sealed, and the transmissions were sealed, and -- heck -- even the shocks were sealed! It wouldn't stop cheating entirely, but it sure would limit the costs of trying to keep up with the field.
If only there was a racing series where the engines were sealed, and the transmissions were sealed, and -- heck -- even the shocks were sealed! It wouldn't stop cheating entirely, but it sure would limit the costs of trying to keep up with the field.
09-08-2009, 01:55 PM
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Locally we have no 13 rule. Weight in both SCCA and Conference is for the top 3 finishers per class only... if you are 4th it is wise to weigh anyway just in case. There is no dyno at the track at all, and inspections would only occur should another racer file a protest. Heck in SCCA the scruts actually ask the driver what their weight limit is... they don't look it up or have any clue what it should be. Conference at least issues stickers with class weights on them that must be on the car.
It is certainly a tough call... I don't know about probation for the first offense... DQ would seem bad enough, with maybe a log book note about what happened for the next time around. Multiple infractions would perhaps justify that to me.
Then again, I'm slow and my car is heavy so...I doubt there is any reason to protest me anyway.
It is certainly a tough call... I don't know about probation for the first offense... DQ would seem bad enough, with maybe a log book note about what happened for the next time around. Multiple infractions would perhaps justify that to me.
Then again, I'm slow and my car is heavy so...I doubt there is any reason to protest me anyway.
09-08-2009, 01:58 PM
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I think part of the problem is the way we all came up through the system. You get a bunch of guys doing DE's in cars that aren't within the rules and then they decide to go racing. Are they going to take that knife edged crank out? Of course not. I think there are different kinds of cheaters - intentional cheaters who are looking for an edge and should be punted, a bunch of guys who know their cars aren't legal because they built them for DE and don't want to pay to put them back (or think they can get away with it) and a bunch of guys who have no idea they have a cheater.
09-08-2009, 02:05 PM
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To tip the scales tip well at the scales. 
Just a Bad Joke folks!
The sandbag post reminded of a driver that removed his spare tire during an early enduro pitstop and was noted reinstalling it on the grid after the race on the way to the scales.
He was light by about one spare tire. Doh!
Just a Bad Joke folks!
The sandbag post reminded of a driver that removed his spare tire during an early enduro pitstop and was noted reinstalling it on the grid after the race on the way to the scales.
He was light by about one spare tire. Doh!
09-08-2009, 02:08 PM
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If you're under 26 and make it through the Voodoo selection process.
He's probably talking about Spec Racer Ford.
Spec Miata is most definitely not a 'spec' class. It's a similar class. The front runners are spending a decent chunk of change on an engine for SM, nothing near what a cup car engine costs, but still 8-10K for a car of that value is pretty high.
Spec Miata is most definitely not a 'spec' class. It's a similar class. The front runners are spending a decent chunk of change on an engine for SM, nothing near what a cup car engine costs, but still 8-10K for a car of that value is pretty high.
09-08-2009, 02:12 PM
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I would imagine that one way to cut down on illegal engines (given the costs for proper scrutineering....FWIW kart engines are torn down and returned in a box after a final.....) would be institute a "claimer rule".
Anyone on the grid can buy a podim engine for a predetermined cost...after all, if it's a stock class, an engine is an engine.
It's amazing how well that worked in karting...granted, the engines are only $5K or so.
Anyone on the grid can buy a podim engine for a predetermined cost...after all, if it's a stock class, an engine is an engine.
It's amazing how well that worked in karting...granted, the engines are only $5K or so.
09-08-2009, 02:21 PM
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09-08-2009, 02:22 PM
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fwiw, better Gears can look like more motor.
in the spec rx7 class they created a lollipop to check the size of the intakes. so the cheaters stopped grinding the intake ports.
So, what they did next was take mazda 323 gearbox internals and put them in the rx7 box, so 2nd and 3rd pulled a lot more than the stock box.
That was worth about 2 car lengths at sebring back straight.
I'd like to see a public posting of tech violations. The only way to stop this public humiliation.
That and add a large red capital "C" to the rear of the car for next 2 races...
in the spec rx7 class they created a lollipop to check the size of the intakes. so the cheaters stopped grinding the intake ports.
So, what they did next was take mazda 323 gearbox internals and put them in the rx7 box, so 2nd and 3rd pulled a lot more than the stock box.
That was worth about 2 car lengths at sebring back straight.
I'd like to see a public posting of tech violations. The only way to stop this public humiliation.
That and add a large red capital "C" to the rear of the car for next 2 races...
09-08-2009, 02:32 PM
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09-08-2009, 02:38 PM
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I think more should be done with engines and transmission/diffs myself.
09-08-2009, 02:47 PM
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This is why a lot of folks may be gravitating towards NASA: simple hp/weight classification formula. Do people still cheat? Yes....because many people are little ****bags. But there's less of it in NASA, I believe. That's life in a society that refuses to make moral judgements or teach kids how to do same. 
And yes, all cheaters who are caught should get an automatic 13.
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And yes, all cheaters who are caught should get an automatic 13.
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09-08-2009, 02:49 PM
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