Veloce Raptor

LMAO! Yup, not relevant. And Dave is not old....he's seasoned!





Professional Racing and Driving Coach

Brian P

John,

With the exception of the first paragraph, I 100% agree with everything you said. Rather than go off-topic about the first paragraph, I'm going to start a Paolo-esque thread.

tkerrmd

since you joined just to make this comment would you care to elaborate?
you may be more "familiar" with the "circumstances" than I am and I think some insight from you would be a good learning experience

would be especially helpful if the rules and regulations and policies of when and how a PCA region takes an instructors previleges away from him. like to understand the procedures and guidelines that gives someone that type of power. is there a secret committee meeting or mob I dont know about?

thanks

tom

stuttgart46

How do you "not cut it" in DE? When you don't cut it in a race you finish last. Is that how it works in DE as well?

dave morris

I'd recommend you take this off-line. The "powers" of the CI are nearly absolute. The CI is charged with serious, big time responsiblities of keeping the event safe. What happened to you is extremely rare and if you really want to explore the reasons behind it I suspect you'll make a lot more progress off-line.

TedA

I disagree..it can be done it just takes support and a little time.

Lou L

Just found out about this thread and here's my two cents if anyone cares. As a long time member of this region, long time instructor and PCA racer, I think we all have to remember that at DE's there is a large discrepancy in drivers abilities, cars, and experience. There are instructors out there that have never raced and who might have just been promoted to instructor. PCA de's are NOT racing schools and you see at every event a large variance in agressiveness, in all run groups. I know Tom and I think he's a good guy - I know he has been warned a few times for aggressive driving and asked to leave once - by his own admission above. I think we all - myself included - need to tone down the driving - especially when we are driving our race cars behind some of these stock cars and unaggressive drivers. It's a driving school - remember when you first started DE's and got nervous when cars were behind you - All i'm saying is tone it down at Suncoast PCA DE's - they have made it clear in the past they are a conservative region - There are many other clubs to De and of course - race if you can, I think that's where you are mentally at, at this point in time - I also do think this was handled poorly and kicking you out was too extreme - a professional face to face this weekend laying down the rules with clarity and consequences would of made more sense in my opinion. My 2 cents!!!

tkerrmd

thanks but in no way does that make any sense. you cant walk up to someone as the CTI and say I dont like your face you cant instruct for us.

obviously I wont be instructing for Suncoast as long as this CTI is there as dont want the hassle.
my ONLY reason for going to the PCA DE events is to teach and help out and that is what I do. this whole firestorm comes from the CTI and a few guys who want to remain nameless
how do you grow and learn from an experience like that. I know MANY of the instructors in this region and cant find ONE who agrees with what the CTI did so where are they? who are they.
if I explore the reasons behind this in an open public forum all can see and learn and that is what this forum is all about. I certainly havent overstepped my boundries or misused my authority without appropriate channels being followed.
would like others to learn from this as I intend to do.

MRW

[QUOTE=RedlineMan;6675610]Pffffft...

I'm pretty sure I witnessed the results of enough hopeless, clueless driving at The Clash to prove my point comfortably.

Amen to that, Brother.

tkerrmd

Lou thanks your "2 cents" is always worth millions to be. I agree with what you said completely and will act accordingly. just thought the whole phone call a few days before an event I paid for and paid for the hotel prepared the car and on the trailer at the shop may have been a little overkill by an inexperienced CTI
I still respect the CTI and his wishes and will try to help out this weekend as much as I can since they will let me drive. lets see how that goes

multi21

I bet this is going to be a little uncomfortable this weekend.

tkerrmd

WELL I GUESS THIS IS NO SUPRISE.................after being told I could teach and drive at the event just by being on good behavior, after doing NOTHING but posting on this site I get this a few minutes ago...........email from the CTI of Suncoast PCA Mr fairness...........

The most important ingredient for successful participation and especially to be a good instructor and role model in PCA Drivers Education is a consistent proper attitude. This is much more important than how powerful the car is, or even driver skill. While at times you have been most cooperative and helpful, there have been too many times that you have not shown the proper attitude. Therefore, after consulting with several past Chief Track Instructors, it was felt that I must ask you not to participate in this coming, or any further Suncoast Drivers Educations.

So much for fair play and power struggles...............I feel sorry for this region and if this is how they treat people then so be it.

thanks for all the help and advise I guess I wont need it for this weekend.


WOW banned for life because I posted this topic, someone is a little out of control and it will happen to others!!

Jarez Mifkin

You should drive up to VIR for the PCA CR!

bad soden

Does this come as a shock?

Geoffrey

Nothing good ever comes from airing disagreements on Rennlist.