2009 F1 Season , Testing , News and Updates
03-11-2009, 11:57 AM
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Sand bagging .........................................
+2 on both accounts
Kimi had an emergency with "his" KERS ( Ketel one Empty Require Service ) nothing to do with electricity ....................
+2 on both accounts
Latest from Barcelona, Kimi had to jump out of his car because it had a KERS problem which meant there was a possible electric shock danger.
I'm telling you, this friggin' KERS will end up hurting someone, besides that I think it was stupid to do it the way it was done so that every team developed their own system instead of doing it like the common ECU, why wasn't it done as Williams has done it (mechanically instead of electronically) is beyond me.
I'm telling you, this friggin' KERS will end up hurting someone, besides that I think it was stupid to do it the way it was done so that every team developed their own system instead of doing it like the common ECU, why wasn't it done as Williams has done it (mechanically instead of electronically) is beyond me.
Kimi had an emergency with "his" KERS ( Ketel one Empty Require Service ) nothing to do with electricity ....................
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03-11-2009, 12:00 PM
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+1 on both although McLaren's lack of grip has caused them to do extra development so something is ****ed up there at the moment...
Latest from Barcelona, Kimi had to jump out of his car because it had a KERS problem which meant there was a possible electric shock danger.
I'm telling you, this friggin' KERS will end up hurting someone, besides that I think it was stupid to do it the way it was done so that every team developed their own system instead of doing it like the common ECU, why wasn't it done as Williams has done it (mechanically instead of electronically) is beyond me.
Latest from Barcelona, Kimi had to jump out of his car because it had a KERS problem which meant there was a possible electric shock danger.
I'm telling you, this friggin' KERS will end up hurting someone, besides that I think it was stupid to do it the way it was done so that every team developed their own system instead of doing it like the common ECU, why wasn't it done as Williams has done it (mechanically instead of electronically) is beyond me.
03-11-2009, 12:02 PM
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Dennis not worried by McLaren test form
I do believe Mclaren is sandbagging , if this was an Issue Hamilton would be working his butt off and testing ...
By Matt Beer Wednesday, March 11th 2009, 14:19 GMT
McLaren chairman Ron Dennis says he has no concerns about his team's apparent lack of testing pace and is certain they will be title contenders.
The 2009 McLaren-Mercedes has not been at the front in recent tests, but Dennis is confident that Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen will be among the frontrunners in Melbourne.
"Whatever performance level McLaren have today we will be a competitive racing team," he told the BBC.
"That means we will be fighting for the world championship.
"The objective is to go to Australia and be the most competitive car there, not to come out of every single test at the top of the timesheets. Testing is about a disciplined approach to making the car go faster and you have to ignore the performance of the other teams."
He added: "Whereas our main competitors are finishing testing in two days we still have the ability to test next week in Jerez. When we get to Australia that will be the first measurement of everyone's performance.
"We expect our car to go faster with every grand prix and we expect to maintain our pace to allow us to win the world championship."
McLaren have continued using a 2008 rear wing at several tests, but Dennis denied this was a sign of problems with the 2009 aerodynamic package.
"We ran the 2008 rear wing because it was more relevant in its performance to the wing that we are going to have in Australia," he said. "It doesn't mean you are lost or that you don't know what you are doing."
However he admitted that McLaren had fallen behind schedule.
"We lost some time," said Dennis. "We had a strategy for this year to leave it to the last possible moment to produce our aerodynamic package for the Australian Grand Prix.
"That in itself gave us some production challenges and we have really only started to run the car in the last day with the Australian aero package."
By Matt Beer Wednesday, March 11th 2009, 14:19 GMT
McLaren chairman Ron Dennis says he has no concerns about his team's apparent lack of testing pace and is certain they will be title contenders.
The 2009 McLaren-Mercedes has not been at the front in recent tests, but Dennis is confident that Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen will be among the frontrunners in Melbourne.
"Whatever performance level McLaren have today we will be a competitive racing team," he told the BBC.
"That means we will be fighting for the world championship.
"The objective is to go to Australia and be the most competitive car there, not to come out of every single test at the top of the timesheets. Testing is about a disciplined approach to making the car go faster and you have to ignore the performance of the other teams."
He added: "Whereas our main competitors are finishing testing in two days we still have the ability to test next week in Jerez. When we get to Australia that will be the first measurement of everyone's performance.
"We expect our car to go faster with every grand prix and we expect to maintain our pace to allow us to win the world championship."
McLaren have continued using a 2008 rear wing at several tests, but Dennis denied this was a sign of problems with the 2009 aerodynamic package.
"We ran the 2008 rear wing because it was more relevant in its performance to the wing that we are going to have in Australia," he said. "It doesn't mean you are lost or that you don't know what you are doing."
However he admitted that McLaren had fallen behind schedule.
"We lost some time," said Dennis. "We had a strategy for this year to leave it to the last possible moment to produce our aerodynamic package for the Australian Grand Prix.
"That in itself gave us some production challenges and we have really only started to run the car in the last day with the Australian aero package."
03-11-2009, 12:17 PM
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The moment one of these drivers or mechanics gets knocked on their *** on worldwide TV, KERS will be scraped immediately and postponed indefinitely, therefore waisting time, effort and multi-millions of dollars spend by each team to give the impression of being "green" racing as mandated by the FIA.
03-11-2009, 12:37 PM
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Mclaren private Test
Proof Ron is sandbagging :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY ........................................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY ........................................
03-11-2009, 01:41 PM
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Proof Ron is sandbagging :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY ........................................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY ........................................
03-11-2009, 02:12 PM
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Alonso's whining is rubbing off on Flava Flav:
No cheating the rules, says Briatore
11 March 2009
Renault Team Principal Flavio Briatore has hit out at certain teams, claiming that F1's new rules for 2009 are being exploited. New regulations for this year limit aerodynamic creativity, although the Italian feels that a number of teams are taking advantage of this and using parts which should not be allowed.
"There is a rule which effectively allows some teams to have a diffuser of a certain specification and appearance. When this was originally requested by other teams, it wasn't possible and it's a weird situation," the Italian told the AP agency in Barcelona. He continued: "There is a rule, but if everyone reads it in their own way it makes for some odd situations, which isn't logical. There are teams that aren't doing things correctly by following the rules. It's the usual soap opera."
The two teams' diffusers in question have been examined by governing body the FIA, of which its President Max Mosley commented: "The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
Briatore has also voiced his concerns over the new Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS), which should give those using it a speed advantage in straight lines. "It's not fair that we will have some cars in Australia with KERS and others without it. We were hoping for black and white rules that are equal for all."
The FIA could have to take action if the issues are openly voiced by a team, as Mosley concluded: "The view of our technical people is that it's okay. We'll wait and see if someone challenges it."
No cheating the rules, says Briatore
11 March 2009
Renault Team Principal Flavio Briatore has hit out at certain teams, claiming that F1's new rules for 2009 are being exploited. New regulations for this year limit aerodynamic creativity, although the Italian feels that a number of teams are taking advantage of this and using parts which should not be allowed.
"There is a rule which effectively allows some teams to have a diffuser of a certain specification and appearance. When this was originally requested by other teams, it wasn't possible and it's a weird situation," the Italian told the AP agency in Barcelona. He continued: "There is a rule, but if everyone reads it in their own way it makes for some odd situations, which isn't logical. There are teams that aren't doing things correctly by following the rules. It's the usual soap opera."
The two teams' diffusers in question have been examined by governing body the FIA, of which its President Max Mosley commented: "The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
Briatore has also voiced his concerns over the new Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS), which should give those using it a speed advantage in straight lines. "It's not fair that we will have some cars in Australia with KERS and others without it. We were hoping for black and white rules that are equal for all."
The FIA could have to take action if the issues are openly voiced by a team, as Mosley concluded: "The view of our technical people is that it's okay. We'll wait and see if someone challenges it."
03-11-2009, 02:22 PM
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BTW, do we have Sir A.Wayne's official 2009 F1 WDC and Constructor's Championship predictions (guarantees)....IN WRITING....IN THIS THREAD....yet?
03-11-2009, 02:32 PM
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Latest from Barcelona, Kimi had to jump out of his car because it had a KERS problem which meant there was a possible electric shock danger.
I'm telling you, this friggin' KERS will end up hurting someone, besides that I think it was stupid to do it the way it was done so that every team developed their own system instead of doing it like the common ECU, why wasn't it done as Williams has done it (mechanically instead of electronically) is beyond me.
I'm telling you, this friggin' KERS will end up hurting someone, besides that I think it was stupid to do it the way it was done so that every team developed their own system instead of doing it like the common ECU, why wasn't it done as Williams has done it (mechanically instead of electronically) is beyond me.
Did the report say there was electric shock danger like the early develpment BMW?
I thought it was a thermal issue.
Kimi developed a hot butt and had to exit the car rapidly.
Remember the reports about exploding/hot batteries in laptops from some time ago. Bad construction of the Lithium/Poly-Lithium cells in laptop batteries caused the cells to short during charging. Contaminants in the laptop cells shorted out the + and - creating a lot of heat.
There's a lot more KWH in the F1 batteries than a laptop.
The cells probably get hot on fast charges and it sounds like cooling for the cells failed. Not sure if they need a bunch of fans to draw in extra air to cool the cellpacks. The sample diagram I saw of F1 KERS showed the battery pack placed under the driver's seat.
If it's electric shock then pit-stops will get exciting as I think carbon fiber conducts electricity. Hope they ground the fuel nozzle to the car well.
03-11-2009, 02:39 PM
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Alonso's whining is rubbing off on Flava Flav:
No cheating the rules, says Briatore
11 March 2009
Renault Team Principal Flavio Briatore has hit out at certain teams, claiming that F1's new rules for 2009 are being exploited. New regulations for this year limit aerodynamic creativity, although the Italian feels that a number of teams are taking advantage of this and using parts which should not be allowed.
"There is a rule which effectively allows some teams to have a diffuser of a certain specification and appearance. When this was originally requested by other teams, it wasn't possible and it's a weird situation," the Italian told the AP agency in Barcelona. He continued: "There is a rule, but if everyone reads it in their own way it makes for some odd situations, which isn't logical. There are teams that aren't doing things correctly by following the rules. It's the usual soap opera."
The two teams' diffusers in question have been examined by governing body the FIA, of which its President Max Mosley commented: "The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
Briatore has also voiced his concerns over the new Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS), which should give those using it a speed advantage in straight lines. "It's not fair that we will have some cars in Australia with KERS and others without it. We were hoping for black and white rules that are equal for all."
The FIA could have to take action if the issues are openly voiced by a team, as Mosley concluded: "The view of our technical people is that it's okay. We'll wait and see if someone challenges it."
No cheating the rules, says Briatore
11 March 2009
Renault Team Principal Flavio Briatore has hit out at certain teams, claiming that F1's new rules for 2009 are being exploited. New regulations for this year limit aerodynamic creativity, although the Italian feels that a number of teams are taking advantage of this and using parts which should not be allowed.
"There is a rule which effectively allows some teams to have a diffuser of a certain specification and appearance. When this was originally requested by other teams, it wasn't possible and it's a weird situation," the Italian told the AP agency in Barcelona. He continued: "There is a rule, but if everyone reads it in their own way it makes for some odd situations, which isn't logical. There are teams that aren't doing things correctly by following the rules. It's the usual soap opera."
The two teams' diffusers in question have been examined by governing body the FIA, of which its President Max Mosley commented: "The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
Briatore has also voiced his concerns over the new Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS), which should give those using it a speed advantage in straight lines. "It's not fair that we will have some cars in Australia with KERS and others without it. We were hoping for black and white rules that are equal for all."
The FIA could have to take action if the issues are openly voiced by a team, as Mosley concluded: "The view of our technical people is that it's okay. We'll wait and see if someone challenges it."
Did the report say there was electric shock danger like the early develpment BMW?
I thought it was a thermal issue.
Kimi developed a hot butt and had to exit the car rapidly.
Remember the reports about exploding/hot batteries in laptops from some time ago. Bad construction of the Lithium/Poly-Lithium cells in laptop batteries caused the cells to short during charging. Contaminants in the laptop cells shorted out the + and - creating a lot of heat.
There's a lot more KWH in the F1 batteries than a laptop.
The cells probably get hot on fast charges and it sounds like cooling for the cells failed. Not sure if they need a bunch of fans to draw in extra air to cool the cellpacks. The sample diagram I saw of F1 KERS showed the battery pack placed under the driver's seat.
If it's electric shock then pit-stops will get exciting as I think carbon fiber conducts electricity. Hope they ground the fuel nozzle to the car well.
I thought it was a thermal issue.
Kimi developed a hot butt and had to exit the car rapidly.
Remember the reports about exploding/hot batteries in laptops from some time ago. Bad construction of the Lithium/Poly-Lithium cells in laptop batteries caused the cells to short during charging. Contaminants in the laptop cells shorted out the + and - creating a lot of heat.
There's a lot more KWH in the F1 batteries than a laptop.
The cells probably get hot on fast charges and it sounds like cooling for the cells failed. Not sure if they need a bunch of fans to draw in extra air to cool the cellpacks. The sample diagram I saw of F1 KERS showed the battery pack placed under the driver's seat.
If it's electric shock then pit-stops will get exciting as I think carbon fiber conducts electricity. Hope they ground the fuel nozzle to the car well.
Kimi had an emergency with "his" KERS ( Ketel one Empty Require Service ) nothing to do with electricity ....................
03-11-2009, 03:39 PM
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Did the report say there was electric shock danger like the early develpment BMW?
I thought it was a thermal issue.
Kimi developed a hot butt and had to exit the car rapidly.
Remember the reports about exploding/hot batteries in laptops from some time ago. Bad construction of the Lithium/Poly-Lithium cells in laptop batteries caused the cells to short during charging. Contaminants in the laptop cells shorted out the + and - creating a lot of heat.
There's a lot more KWH in the F1 batteries than a laptop.
The cells probably get hot on fast charges and it sounds like cooling for the cells failed. Not sure if they need a bunch of fans to draw in extra air to cool the cellpacks. The sample diagram I saw of F1 KERS showed the battery pack placed under the driver's seat.
If it's electric shock then pit-stops will get exciting as I think carbon fiber conducts electricity. Hope they ground the fuel nozzle to the car well.
I thought it was a thermal issue.
Kimi developed a hot butt and had to exit the car rapidly.
Remember the reports about exploding/hot batteries in laptops from some time ago. Bad construction of the Lithium/Poly-Lithium cells in laptop batteries caused the cells to short during charging. Contaminants in the laptop cells shorted out the + and - creating a lot of heat.
There's a lot more KWH in the F1 batteries than a laptop.
The cells probably get hot on fast charges and it sounds like cooling for the cells failed. Not sure if they need a bunch of fans to draw in extra air to cool the cellpacks. The sample diagram I saw of F1 KERS showed the battery pack placed under the driver's seat.
If it's electric shock then pit-stops will get exciting as I think carbon fiber conducts electricity. Hope they ground the fuel nozzle to the car well.
03-11-2009, 03:56 PM
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If you watch the Vodaphone/McLaren/Mercedes video that Sir A.Wayne posted in this thread (R/C 2009 F1 car), at 2:43 into the video you can see an almost identical structure under the nose, similar to the Red Bull.
Perhaps it is a camera?
03-11-2009, 04:33 PM
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So they found a way to 'motivate' drivers to go faster.
Sorta like a horsewhip. But with electricity.
If those pods under the noses are cameras, then I'm doing the rain dance.
Racing in the rain is NUTS. Racing in the rain chasing a little blinking red light is nutser.
03-11-2009, 05:33 PM
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Jenson Button grabbed the headlines by lapping a second faster than everyone else on the penultimate day of Formula One testing in Barcelona.
The new Brawn GP car--formerly Honda--has been quick from the start, with Button running well on Monday, and teammate Rubens Barrichello in action on Tuesday.
On a dry and overcast day, Felipe Massa was second fastest after taking over the Ferrari from Kimi Raikkonen, just outpacing BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica. But once again the Italian car had a reliability issue, with a hydraulic problem interrupting a race simulation run.
Timo Glock, Fernando Alonso, Sebastian Vettel and Nico Rosberg were next, while after a good day for Force India, Giancarlo Fisichella just pipped Sebastien Buemi. Scuderia Toro Rosso recorded the most laps of the day after a frustrating Tuesday marred by suspension trouble.
Right at the back was defending world champion Lewis Hamilton, continuing the curious form shown by Heikki Kovalainen over the past couple of days as McLaren-Mercedes continues to hone its new aero package. McLaren is one of the teams that is still "owed" a few test days, and will run at Jerez in Spain next week, but the car's lack of speed continues to perplex onlookers, even when heavy fuel loads are taken into account. Hamilton also had a minor off-course excursion, as did Vettel.
TEST TIMES
1. Button, Brawn GP-Mercedes, 1m 19.127s
2. Massa, Ferrari, 1:20.168s
3. Kubica, BMW Sauber, 1m 20.217s
4. Glock, Toyota TF109, 1m 20.410s
5. Alonso, Renault R29, 1m 20.863s
6. Vettel, Red Bull-Renault, 1m 21.165s
7. Rosberg, Williams-Toyota, 1m 21.324s
8. Fisichella, Force India-Mercedes, 1m 21.545s
9. Buemi, Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari, 1m 21.569s
10. Hamilton, McLaren-Mercedes, 1m 21.657s
The new Brawn GP car--formerly Honda--has been quick from the start, with Button running well on Monday, and teammate Rubens Barrichello in action on Tuesday.
On a dry and overcast day, Felipe Massa was second fastest after taking over the Ferrari from Kimi Raikkonen, just outpacing BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica. But once again the Italian car had a reliability issue, with a hydraulic problem interrupting a race simulation run.
Timo Glock, Fernando Alonso, Sebastian Vettel and Nico Rosberg were next, while after a good day for Force India, Giancarlo Fisichella just pipped Sebastien Buemi. Scuderia Toro Rosso recorded the most laps of the day after a frustrating Tuesday marred by suspension trouble.
Right at the back was defending world champion Lewis Hamilton, continuing the curious form shown by Heikki Kovalainen over the past couple of days as McLaren-Mercedes continues to hone its new aero package. McLaren is one of the teams that is still "owed" a few test days, and will run at Jerez in Spain next week, but the car's lack of speed continues to perplex onlookers, even when heavy fuel loads are taken into account. Hamilton also had a minor off-course excursion, as did Vettel.
TEST TIMES
1. Button, Brawn GP-Mercedes, 1m 19.127s
2. Massa, Ferrari, 1:20.168s
3. Kubica, BMW Sauber, 1m 20.217s
4. Glock, Toyota TF109, 1m 20.410s
5. Alonso, Renault R29, 1m 20.863s
6. Vettel, Red Bull-Renault, 1m 21.165s
7. Rosberg, Williams-Toyota, 1m 21.324s
8. Fisichella, Force India-Mercedes, 1m 21.545s
9. Buemi, Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari, 1m 21.569s
10. Hamilton, McLaren-Mercedes, 1m 21.657s