Looking for input from the track masters.....
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Looking for input from the track masters.....
I am hoping to shed about 5 seconds from my times now at LRP....
I know with Hoosiers I can probably save 1-2" over my street tires, but what else should I be doing differently to become a little quicker?.......
Any insights, hints and critiques will be appreciated.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePAOWIOCsXw
Please excuse the poor quality video.....
P.S. I know perfectly well that DE is not racing.........
I know with Hoosiers I can probably save 1-2" over my street tires, but what else should I be doing differently to become a little quicker?.......
Any insights, hints and critiques will be appreciated.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePAOWIOCsXw
Please excuse the poor quality video.....
P.S. I know perfectly well that DE is not racing.........
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FYI on the video clip, just for reference...looks like 1:06 - 1:07 (clean lap...after he passes the older 911 and is chasing down the newer dark 911). I see the current PCA E-class record (Savenor and Farrell) is 1:00 - 1:01.
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Last edited by Mike S.; 02-01-2008 at 09:42 PM. Reason: added - 1:01
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Here's what I see. Your line is pretty good, although I'm not a fan of the DE line that takes you up the middle of the uphill. The fast way through that turn is to use every inch of track. Brush the brakes early, get back on the gas right away after turn in and if necessary, you can add a wee bit of steering at the compression point just past the apex. In general, you are braking too hard and are too late getting back on the throttle. Seems like you're not back on it hard until the apex, you can get on it earlier than that. For the right hander before no name, it's just a very quick lift to dip the nose and then back on full throttle right away. When you run Hoosiers, you might be able to take it flat footed. You want to carry as much speed as possible through no name by coming out of the right hander as fast as you can. Combine that with a better up hill and you've taken your speed way up for half the track. You're braking way too early for big bend. I try and start braking after the 3 marker so I'm actually braking at the 2 marker. Obviously, all this stuff is a heck of a lot easier and more effective if you're on R compounds. But, you already know what I think you should be doing on that front
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No DE line should include middle of the track. That is just plain wrong. Leaving room at exit, slightly late apex for safety... that's okay. But middle of track is just wrong.
Buy Going Faster! video and watch it many times. Then have some conversations with one or several of the excellent PCA instructors out there... Better yet, ride with someone in a similar car that is faster. make sure they know what they are doing compared to you.
- Mike
First track or AX experience: LRP 1987 in a Porsche 944. Someday I will see LRP again.
No DE line should include middle of the track. That is just plain wrong. Leaving room at exit, slightly late apex for safety... that's okay. But middle of track is just wrong.
Buy Going Faster! video and watch it many times. Then have some conversations with one or several of the excellent PCA instructors out there... Better yet, ride with someone in a similar car that is faster. make sure they know what they are doing compared to you.
- Mike
First track or AX experience: LRP 1987 in a Porsche 944. Someday I will see LRP again.
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Sean, thanks for the great pointers.....
By watching the video, you are right, I am using way too much brakes......
Hopefully switching to R-compound will boost my confidence and thus require less braking and carry more speed.
Furthermore, I will alter my line on the uphill like you said, and check the results on my new laptimer........
That is if I ever am able to get in LRP again....you know, with the country club thing going on.....
By watching the video, you are right, I am using way too much brakes......
Hopefully switching to R-compound will boost my confidence and thus require less braking and carry more speed.
Furthermore, I will alter my line on the uphill like you said, and check the results on my new laptimer........
That is if I ever am able to get in LRP again....you know, with the country club thing going on.....
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I *think* I hear a lot of coasting - into West Bend, and into the downhill. It could be my hearing but I don't get the feeling of you doing a quick transition from brake to throttle and you must be taking the downhill pretty easy as it's a LOT more violent than that in my car when i'm on the Apex. Same with the uphill. Sean pretty much summed it up... Your like the fat lady with the double whopper asking why she's fat.. Put the damn Hoosiers on and quit yer whining! And that was 6/06... you haven't improved since then????
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I *think* I hear a lot of coasting - into West Bend, and into the downhill. It could be my hearing but I don't get the feeling of you doing a quick transition from brake to throttle and you must be taking the downhill pretty easy as it's a LOT more violent than that in my car when i'm on the Apex. Same with the uphill. Sean pretty much summed it up... Your like the fat lady with the double whopper asking why she's fat.. Put the damn Hoosiers on and quit yer whining! And that was 6/06... you haven't improved since then????
R-compounds, with sparing use of brakes and a touch more of gas, will be the menu for this "fat lady" next season........