WHERE HAVE ALL THE TROPHIES GONE?
10-18-2007, 11:20 AM
#46
Big trophy or no trophy will have zero impact upon how competitive the racing is.
The biggest factor in making PCA racing fun is us. If a$$hattery is shunned and fellowship and good sportsmanship is encouraged, then everything else will work itself out. Most groups tend to sort themselves out over time anyway.
So, I am all for trophies even though it may be years before I see one personally. I may have to imitiate my friend Jase Scott and get a 356 with a cool paint job so that I will at least be in the running for the workers choice award. I can't let him get that every year!
The biggest factor in making PCA racing fun is us. If a$$hattery is shunned and fellowship and good sportsmanship is encouraged, then everything else will work itself out. Most groups tend to sort themselves out over time anyway.
So, I am all for trophies even though it may be years before I see one personally. I may have to imitiate my friend Jase Scott and get a 356 with a cool paint job so that I will at least be in the running for the workers choice award. I can't let him get that every year!
10-18-2007, 11:23 AM
#47
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If that's the rule, then how does Sebring give out an award (which wasn't given out for participation) but other regions do not? National is at all the races. It's not like they are sneaking it. I'm confused
10-18-2007, 11:45 AM
#48
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10-18-2007, 01:03 PM
#49
Nord Stern gave a "memento trophy" to all who raced at BIR this last year. If you won, there was room to put a small engraved plate on it (your job to do).
They have also given out a high quality poster (or set of posters) for the last 5 years. These are now becoming collecter items and are seen in many garages of racers. I have 4 of them framed and in my garage from the races I have been in.
They have also given out a high quality poster (or set of posters) for the last 5 years. These are now becoming collecter items and are seen in many garages of racers. I have 4 of them framed and in my garage from the races I have been in.
10-18-2007, 01:14 PM
#50
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I'm glad there aren't any trophies. If there were, I wouldn't be able to control myself. I'd be playing bumper cars in the corners, punting people right and left and generally terrorizing all those around me. I simply lack the self control required when $20 trophies are at stake. I mean really, what's a car that you've invested $75,000 in worth compared to a $20 trophy?
10-18-2007, 01:31 PM
#52
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Not left up to the Region's, at least not when I ran 2 club races for Potomac 3 years ago. Money was not an issue, as the races were profitable and much was spent on "gifts" .
National controlled all prizes. A trophy could be given out, but only for particpation, all drivers getting exactly the same trophy. Nationals prohibited anything that would be awarded for finishing position. And other prizes could only be raffled off or some other type of system whereby all participants had a chance to win, could not be awarded for finishing position. So to get around the PCA rules of recognizing drivers for finishing positions, I hired some trophies girls, and took pictures of the podium finishers with the girls. My tenure was short lived after that move.
While I can understand PCA's mindset on trophies, we decided trophies were a fun thing, not evil. When we put together the 944 Cup series,we found drivers appreciated trophies, but did not base their approach to racing differently because of trophies. Rather the 13/13 was more influential on driver conduct. If a driver wants to win a trophy, they need to race clean anyway, cause u cant win if you're DQed.
So if you want a recognition trophy from a PCA event, try Concours. Won't cost u much -- yeah right. That's what I finally did.
National controlled all prizes. A trophy could be given out, but only for particpation, all drivers getting exactly the same trophy. Nationals prohibited anything that would be awarded for finishing position. And other prizes could only be raffled off or some other type of system whereby all participants had a chance to win, could not be awarded for finishing position. So to get around the PCA rules of recognizing drivers for finishing positions, I hired some trophies girls, and took pictures of the podium finishers with the girls. My tenure was short lived after that move.
While I can understand PCA's mindset on trophies, we decided trophies were a fun thing, not evil. When we put together the 944 Cup series,we found drivers appreciated trophies, but did not base their approach to racing differently because of trophies. Rather the 13/13 was more influential on driver conduct. If a driver wants to win a trophy, they need to race clean anyway, cause u cant win if you're DQed.
So if you want a recognition trophy from a PCA event, try Concours. Won't cost u much -- yeah right. That's what I finally did.
We have all seen the friendly DE reminder, "this is not racing."
I don't see how we are that far off from noting on PCA Club Race Applications, "Remember, Club Racing is not racing..."
Everyone is a winner. Yay!
10-18-2007, 01:34 PM
#53
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Goodwill turned me away last time I showed up with a box of PCA racing shirts. They told me the homeless guys in our town won't even wear them anymore as people laugh and point at them.
Get some decent trophies and skip the shirts.
Get some decent trophies and skip the shirts.
10-18-2007, 01:41 PM
#54
The first picture shows the trophy I made myself after I won my last DE. It impresses my colleagues at work.
The second picture is what I used as a model for the 5' tall trophy I made myself after dominating my first the club raceas the only entrant in my class. It is truly impressive.
But, I do think that the podium placers should receive something like the first trophy, albeit with a Porsche theme.
10-18-2007, 01:59 PM
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10-18-2007, 02:00 PM
#57
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Do you know what the reason was? I can understand it for A-D if there is a shakeup. Just curious. It's not like we can't figure out if there was a new record or not.
10-18-2007, 02:01 PM
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10-18-2007, 02:03 PM
#59
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TD - your rookie win wasn't just about dumb luck in the thin attendance within your class. Your extremely powerful drover skills intimidated others and kept them from registering. I don't care if you won by intimidation or by luck (such as when the 12 other cars in your class spin in the last turn). A win is worthy of a token that grows egos faster than droving skills. You earned it man!
