Originally Posted by M3Pete

Wayne,
I know you had to throw that dig against MS, but last year the Michelin tires were better than the Bridgestone tires and both Renault and McLaren had them. I still remember MS passing Kimi in the closing stages of that race. A thing of beauty.

Once again, no one can tell me what the hell he is talking about with Yamamoto?

Hamilton is arguably the best rookie to come into F1. The WC was his to lose and he did, however, I have no doubt when he retires, he will have won multiple WC.

When McLaren and the British press gloss over his mistakes it's a disservice to him as at this level of motorsport, its the person who makes the least mistakes that wins. They should objectively look at his performance and make sure he knows about them and does not repeat them, but as was the case in China, why blame the team for LH beaching it? Why do they not even mention the fact he shouldn't have been racing against Kimi in China and eating away at his tires or Alonso on the first lap in Brazil? I have seen no mention of this in the British press.

When a certain senior driver, that shall go unnamed, made mistakes last year, everyone said that he didnt make those mistakes in the past and he was too old and should retire. Conversely, Lewis is too young and made unbelievable mistakes. Mistakes that he didn't make in the early part of the season. If he is made to believe that everything is not his fault, then God help us how his ego will be when he does win one.

Originally Posted by Nano

I agree 99.9% Pete, for the same reason, I think Bernie's comments are a disgrace to F1 and Hamilton, they do Hamilton no honor, he is better than that.

I have nothing against hamilton, he's proven to be competitive and has a roaring fire within that makes everyone else pale in comparisson. He made mistakes, but he was grossly miss managed this year, he is somewhat a victim of Mclaren (read Ron Dennis).

Originally Posted by Nano

Wayne, 2005 (except for Indianapolis fiasco) and 2006 Michelin had equal, it not superior tires than bridgestone (or the Ferrari bridgestone if you prefer).

Originally Posted by Nano

It's all speculation, it is impossible to know exactly how the ferrari bridgetones did compared to the other bridgestone had they had equal development, but you can still get feedback and performance of bridgestone vs michelin throughout the season. Example, one big issue for me being toyota moving to Bridgestone in 2006 after a decent 2005 and did nada, I would considere toyota as a top team at end of 2005, with ample support from bridgestone. Performance of renault vs mclaren on bridgestone this year is more speculative. Or Renault was on renault spec Michelin?

Originally Posted by Nano

I was comparing 06 mclaren with 06 renault too... but how can you campare development and difference only looking at 06? Compare 05 renault with 05 mclaren, 05 toyota with 06 toyota, 05 ferrari with 06 ferrari, and various combinations team vs team year vs year as well. The brigestone one-car tire supremacy ended in 05, michelin clearly had "better" suited tires in 05. In 06, the game got even with the 2006 rule change, that's why I'm saying in 06 they were pretty much equal. 06 brigestone were as much ferrari spec as the michelin were renault spec.

Originally Posted by A.Wayne

Nano , I acknowledge that maybe in 05 michelin had the advantage , but not in 06 , hence the comparison between 06 mclaren and Renault , Only Renault was able to challenge ferrari in 06 , while in 05 both Michelin front runners won races ..

Originally Posted by A.Wayne

Nano , I acknowledge that maybe in 05 michelin had the advantage , but not in 06 , hence the comparison between 06 mclaren and Renault , Only Renault was able to challenge ferrari in 06 , while in 05 both Michelin front runners won races ..

Originally Posted by M3Pete

Oh yee of little memory. Even if you say the M and B tires were equal in 06, don't discount the wet races, specifically in Hungary when the Bridgestone runners couldn't even keep touch with the Michelin runners.

Originally Posted by A.Wayne

Or schooled on the wet line like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojG1T9SGdHY

But what do i know , Being Tyre engineers you guys know exactly when it is schumacher and when it is the tyres

Originally Posted by A.Wayne

Ahhh the swingers , well while we are at it what about these .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAmbIdwcmSo

Or schooled on the wet line like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojG1T9SGdHY

But what do i know , Being Tyre engineers you guys know exactly when it is schumacher and when it is the tyres

Originally Posted by ltc

IIRC, wasn't it generally accepted a while back that Schumacher was an exceptional driver in the rain? IIRC, the term 'Rainmeister' was often used on the broadcasts as he continually set fast lap in the wet.

IIRC, it was also generally accepted that Michelin had a clear superiority on extreme wets while Bridgestone had a clear superiority on standard wets (or inters if you prefer that term).