Best Rennlist race car drivers?
08-15-2007, 01:36 PM
#46
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by Mike in Chi
Not sure if Karl Poeltl and Mark Hupfer post. Both terrific in F, the second most competitive class in PCA Racing.
08-15-2007, 03:37 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by joey bagadonuts
Exactly how I felt when I saw Leh Keen fly down the final turn at the Road Atlanta CR earlier this year. No offense to others but he was noticeably faster (1:21:8) than the rest of the field.
Well, come on now, lets be honest, Leh was driving a UFO (unrestricted 04 RSR) and not a normal cup car. Still apples to apples in the same cup car he would be half a second to 3/4 a second faster than the other non pros.
CB
08-15-2007, 04:26 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by richard glickel.
It's not quite that simple. There's more to it than money (of course, money doesn't hurt, does it ever?). I'd submit that one should not discount the natural physical abilities (raw talent if you will) that are required to excel - or even be consistently competitive - on a professional level, at any sport.
How many people on this forum have owned and raced a $100,000 cup car before turning 21??? NOT MANY.
How many lower to lower-middle class people are there getting in a ton of seat time and laying down quick laps at your local track (in a Porsche)??? NOT MANY.
I'd submit that the vast majority of the pros (and fastest amateurs too, for that matter) either grew up with or now have considerable means and finances to pursue this increasingly exclusive sport.
08-15-2007, 04:36 PM
#49
Three Wheelin'
doing the research; Rick DeMan has owned lap records and rediculous amounts of wins in MULTIPLE classes over the past few years at almost every major track(and minor for that matter).....a true driver's driver....
08-15-2007, 05:19 PM
#50
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Originally Posted by leif997
Rick DeMan.....a true driver's driver....
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Retired Club Racer & National PCA Instructor
Past Flames:
1994 RS America Club Racer
2004 GT3 Track Car
1984 911 Carrera Club Racer
1974 914/4 2.0 Track Car
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08-15-2007, 09:07 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by Jim Child
Second most competitive? Karl posts very rarely. Mark does not.
F by far for production cars
08-15-2007, 09:12 PM
#53
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I vote for Leh Keen. he's quick in any car he drives, and I think that's the mark of a good driver. There are alot of great drivers out there, but sometimes I think it might be more car than driver in some cases. We all do not have the same resources to prepare our cars equally. So I tend to be impressed more by the driver that can jump into most any car and drive it fast and be competitive. Just my 2cents.
Lou Lipari
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Last edited by Lou L; 08-15-2007 at 10:36 PM.
08-15-2007, 09:46 PM
#54
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Leh Keen is one of my favorites for his ability to drive so fast and make it look so smoothe and easy. Another favorite (even though he's only had a few posts) is Randy Pobst.
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08-16-2007, 01:06 AM
#57
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Originally Posted by Astroman
Yes, of course, it takes considerable raw talent. But, the point is there are many amateur racers on this forum and many others around the country that also have a lot of raw talent, but might not be able to drop everything and race professionally... or at least try to.
How many people on this forum have owned and raced a $100,000 cup car before turning 21??? NOT MANY.
How many lower to lower-middle class people are there getting in a ton of seat time and laying down quick laps at your local track (in a Porsche)??? NOT MANY.
I'd submit that the vast majority of the pros (and fastest amateurs too, for that matter) either grew up with or now have considerable means and finances to pursue this increasingly exclusive sport.
How many people on this forum have owned and raced a $100,000 cup car before turning 21??? NOT MANY.
How many lower to lower-middle class people are there getting in a ton of seat time and laying down quick laps at your local track (in a Porsche)??? NOT MANY.
I'd submit that the vast majority of the pros (and fastest amateurs too, for that matter) either grew up with or now have considerable means and finances to pursue this increasingly exclusive sport.
08-16-2007, 02:52 AM
#58
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I think there is no lack of talented drivers out there. I think it is a little misleading comparing lap times of different drivers in different cars with completely differnet prep levels. I think what sets the best from the good, is the decision making abilities in a race, not just lap time.
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08-16-2007, 09:04 AM
#59
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
I think what sets the best from the good, is the decision making abilities in a race, not just lap time.
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08-16-2007, 09:50 AM
#60
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
I think there is no lack of talented drivers out there. I think it is a little misleading comparing lap times of different drivers in different cars with completely differnet prep levels. I think what sets the best from the good, is the decision making abilities in a race, not just lap time.
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Yeah, I also forgot that Randy posts here, so add him.