Where are all the Alonso detractors
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Originally Posted by Ray S
1. Never said that he was. I only said he is a better driver IMHO.
2. He wasn't lucky to win. He was lucky that Ferrari had problems.
3. Says who. The current Ferrari and Mercedes seem as closely matched as any two F1 cars in recent memory
4. Once again I would not say he was lucky. However, he was certainly blessed with some favorable situations.
5. Man you have a one track mind....see #4
6. See #4
7. See #4
8. Hamilton had his number in race #1, until he had a slow pit. I believe he is a better driver than Masa. The real question is he better than Kimi? I'm not sure.
9. This is getting old. You are just repeating yourself to come up with an even 10 right?? See #4
10. Your going to call him the best of the season based on two races and one win??? I'll wait and see........
2. He wasn't lucky to win. He was lucky that Ferrari had problems.
3. Says who. The current Ferrari and Mercedes seem as closely matched as any two F1 cars in recent memory
4. Once again I would not say he was lucky. However, he was certainly blessed with some favorable situations.
5. Man you have a one track mind....see #4
6. See #4
7. See #4
8. Hamilton had his number in race #1, until he had a slow pit. I believe he is a better driver than Masa. The real question is he better than Kimi? I'm not sure.
9. This is getting old. You are just repeating yourself to come up with an even 10 right?? See #4
10. Your going to call him the best of the season based on two races and one win??? I'll wait and see........
I'm calling him the best currently ,based on his most recent performances plus 2 WC..... a full house beat a Pr all the time
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Originally Posted by Larry Herman
My take on this, to draw a parallel is that Alonso is more like Prost, and Raikkonen is more like Senna. Alonso takes better care of his car, and can drive around problems, and Kimi has shown that he is can be the fastest given equal equipment. It will come down to the reliability of the cars, and a little bit of luck.
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Originally Posted by Larry Herman
My take on this, to draw a parallel is that Alonso is more like Prost, and Raikkonen is more like Senna. Alonso takes better care of his car, and can drive around problems, and Kimi has shown that he is can be the fastest given equal equipment.
I think Kimi is tremendously fast. But, I also think if you want to be a WC, you need to be a good development driver and have to be able to really rally a team. I'm not sure Kimi can do either.
Much as I never have cared much for M. Schumacher, I think he was the best combination of develpment driver/rallying a team/bringing home a car to a win or podium. Gotta give credit where it is due, even if I don't like him.
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Originally Posted by pole position
...I also agree with the opinion of D. Hobbs of Speed, MS would have won that race.
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I think this is going to be a great season. I just wish that Renault or Red Bull was firmly in the mix. I thought that Renault wouldn't have fallen off so much, so I wonder just how much was Alonso. I suspect quite a bit actually - more than I initially thought. I also expected much more from Red Bull given Adrien Newy's brilliance. Coulthard is old, but I thought he might have one last Cinderlla seaon in him. Not a chance. I hope this is his last year. I'm not convinced Weber can lead the team.
Sadly, I don't think there are THAT many brilliant drivers in F1. Immensely talented yes, but once again, not like the 80s and early 90s. FWIW, I think Massa may have what it takes, but he has to stop checking for pollyps during a race.
Sadly, I don't think there are THAT many brilliant drivers in F1. Immensely talented yes, but once again, not like the 80s and early 90s. FWIW, I think Massa may have what it takes, but he has to stop checking for pollyps during a race.
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Originally Posted by Geo
I think this is going to be a great season. I just wish that Renault or Red Bull was firmly in the mix.
As to the original poster, do I think alonso is the real deal? Yes, certainly, one hell of a driver. Unfortunately, I cannot stand him, or his crybaby attitude. I hate him, I hope he never wins another WDC. Lewis Hamilton on the other hand
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Geo,
I do not think Larry was comparing Kimi to senna , but in his analogy he was comparing the era's with the strenght and weakness's of the different drivers.
Finn , In order to be champion one has to Practice BURP !
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I do not think Larry was comparing Kimi to senna , but in his analogy he was comparing the era's with the strenght and weakness's of the different drivers.
Finn , In order to be champion one has to Practice BURP !
Mike: Not to worry i will share the spoils
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Originally Posted by A.Wayne
LOL,M3pete, after that touching response,i have to go and rinse now
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I guess no one is mentioning Ron Dennis' whine of the week calling out BMW implying that they're only out there for a one lap TV spot. Ironic that it was only Dennis throwing out assumptions and none of the other teams. Funny how BMW ran longer than both McLaren and Ferrari.
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With all this talk of luck, I have to point out Roger Penkse's (IIRC) stance on the issue, with which I happen to agree 100%:
Luck is preparation meeting opportunity.
Luck is preparation meeting opportunity.
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Originally Posted by A.Wayne
...Finn , In order to be champion one has to Practice BURP ! ...
Originally Posted by M3Pete
...I guess no one is mentioning Ron Dennis' whine of the week calling out BMW implying that they're only out there for a one lap TV spot. Ironic that it was only Dennis throwing out assumptions and none of the other teams. Funny how BMW ran longer than both McLaren and Ferrari.
#42
There's no way Hamilton will be allowed to win the WC this year unless something disasterous happens to Alonso but I think the future is very bright for Lewis. He appears to be the real deal with true superstar potential.
I still have the hopes of this being the year of the Kimi. I think he has shown that he can control his driving and bring the faltering pony home.
Alonso seems to be a real talent too but he needs to stop "saluting" drivers he thinks are holding him up. But in the interview room, he is a class act. In fact that is the only part of Kimi I can't stand, he needs some communication skills (at least with the media).
This is shaping up to be the most exciting season yet. I was jumping out of my chair last weekend for the first few laps. It's been a long time since F1 has been this good!
I still have the hopes of this being the year of the Kimi. I think he has shown that he can control his driving and bring the faltering pony home.
Alonso seems to be a real talent too but he needs to stop "saluting" drivers he thinks are holding him up. But in the interview room, he is a class act. In fact that is the only part of Kimi I can't stand, he needs some communication skills (at least with the media).
This is shaping up to be the most exciting season yet. I was jumping out of my chair last weekend for the first few laps. It's been a long time since F1 has been this good!
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Originally Posted by mitch236
...Alonso seems to be a real talent too but he needs to stop "saluting" drivers he thinks are holding him up. But in the interview room, he is a class act. In fact that is the only part of Kimi I can't stand, he needs some communication skills (at least with the media)...
You won't get better interviews, they don't serve proper drinks in media room...
Seriously, to defend him a bit, that's just the nature of his (and many other Finn's). We're very poor at bull**** (often referred as "small talk"), we don't chat and ask "how are you" to every people we meet and usually we only talk when we have something to say.
That's not because we are rude or not have manner, that's just the nature of most of us. Then there's of course guys like Kovalainen who is very talkative but he is more of an exception.
But if you meet Kimi personally (when walking on the paddock, steer etc.), he is a very friendly person. For example, in Australia, bunch of Spanish Alonso fans made the long trip to Australia and obviously wanted to meet him, in the end, he was "too busy" to meet them (someone from McLaren met them and they had lunch with Hamilton), then they had fairly long discussion with Kimi and told even though they're still big Alonso fans, they enjoyed tremendously talking to him.
Sorry for a long post, like I said, some of us can get a little talkative at times...
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Well if you look at the race Alonso did what was expected.
Alonso had solid car...
Massa was faster, but early on mad 1 mistake after another first allowing Alonso through in turn 1 then also Hamilton. Then he threw it away after being sucked in by Hamilton. So by this time Alsono had it easy.
1) Solid fast car
2) Team mate playing blocker
3) Fasted competition in 5th ( Massa)
4) Next fastest competition (Kimi) in 4th with a "weak" engine also being held at bay by your team mate.
Given that situation I would EXPECT and 2 time WDC to win the race with ease. It may not be cake walk, but it is what Alonso needed to do given the situation. Remember the sign of a good driver is not only to be spectaular, but also get the job done sometimes. We really don't know what kind of shape Kimi's engine was in, but come the end of the season this race for Kimi may have infact be of the the Key races. Sure Alonso won and Kimi only got 3rd, but that 6 points when maybe last year it would have been zero with a blown engine or 5th/6th after stating 10 or 11th.
I personally was most impressed with Hamilton's race craft early on. Very smart racer. There has been trend in F1 torward guys who are really fast "time trialers" rather than experts a race craft. Time will tell where Hamilton falls in this, but to show that degree of race craft so early in F1 is impressive.
As for the championship... well way to early to tell. Clear favorites are Alonso and Kimi, but anything can still happen. Biggest dissappointments this year are Renault and Honda.
Alonso had solid car...
Massa was faster, but early on mad 1 mistake after another first allowing Alonso through in turn 1 then also Hamilton. Then he threw it away after being sucked in by Hamilton. So by this time Alsono had it easy.
1) Solid fast car
2) Team mate playing blocker
3) Fasted competition in 5th ( Massa)
4) Next fastest competition (Kimi) in 4th with a "weak" engine also being held at bay by your team mate.
Given that situation I would EXPECT and 2 time WDC to win the race with ease. It may not be cake walk, but it is what Alonso needed to do given the situation. Remember the sign of a good driver is not only to be spectaular, but also get the job done sometimes. We really don't know what kind of shape Kimi's engine was in, but come the end of the season this race for Kimi may have infact be of the the Key races. Sure Alonso won and Kimi only got 3rd, but that 6 points when maybe last year it would have been zero with a blown engine or 5th/6th after stating 10 or 11th.
I personally was most impressed with Hamilton's race craft early on. Very smart racer. There has been trend in F1 torward guys who are really fast "time trialers" rather than experts a race craft. Time will tell where Hamilton falls in this, but to show that degree of race craft so early in F1 is impressive.
As for the championship... well way to early to tell. Clear favorites are Alonso and Kimi, but anything can still happen. Biggest dissappointments this year are Renault and Honda.
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I don't mind the content of what Kimi says, it's the way he says it.
(all in monotone)
"Ihadasolidracebuttheenginewasweakandmassaletthemaclarensgosoisettledint oacomfortablepaceuntiltheendwhenithoughimightbeabletoovertakehamiltonbut iamhappywiththeresult"
(all in monotone)
"Ihadasolidracebuttheenginewasweakandmassaletthemaclarensgosoisettledint oacomfortablepaceuntiltheendwhenithoughimightbeabletoovertakehamiltonbut iamhappywiththeresult"