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Old 06-14-2007, 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by A.Wayne
Alonso not totally comfortable at McLaren
Fred is a big girly man!!

I supported Fred last year, but he has to realize.
Hamilton is handing him his ***!
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Old 06-14-2007, 04:46 AM
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Perhaps...

But, (and this is big) we don't know really who contributed the most to the development of the car. Perhaps Hamilton is a good drover, but not as good a development drover? Don't forget, he came late to the team as well as Alonso. If Hamilton is as good at car development he will be great. If he is not, he will shine, but is unlikely to be great.

I'm not saying I have ANY idea which is a better development drover, but that is a HUGE piece of the equation and over time can and will make a difference in the championship.

So, to answer your last question, it depends upon how good Hamilton is at development. A veteran drover may bring a huge piece of the equation.
Does a matador go and study his bulls out in the paddock? Does testing have machismo? Are we the kind of dork who changes his facial hair as often as our underwear?

Alonso is a quick driver, but his personality is fragile. He doesn't understand himself let alone a car, at any reflective level. He is immensely self-absorbed, out of this he can relate how the car's behaviour impacts upon himself. Don't forget that McLaren has Paffett and de la Rosa are excellent test drivers who are in the communication business.

Don't forget Hamilton has been on the McLaren team for 10 years, and part of that involved doing well at school. You don't have to be a qualified engineer to understand how systems work, just observant.

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Old 06-14-2007, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by A.Wayne
Ron would be crazy to let Alonso go , he would then have to compete against him, They are better served for now with him at the big MAC , if not he would end up at Ferrari , causing them a bit of concern , Hmmm Alonso and Massa ....VS Lewis and ?
Not really crazy - Alonso would take at least a season to get over being upstaged by Hamilton to the point that he flounces out of the team. Alonso would be a spent force in the short and medium term, a joke on pit row, which isn't to say that Toyota or BMW wouldn't dump people to get him. It makes Hamilton worth a great deal more.

A devisive team member is worse than having a cuckoo in the nest, disaffection spreads like the plague.

Frankly, in other sports, Alonso would be dangerously close to being left on the bench to chill out.

The best thing I can say about him is that he has largely given up on the face fungus in the last couple of years.

Send him off to NASCAR, it seems to suit a certain type of dork.

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Old 06-14-2007, 11:32 AM
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If Alonso leaves Mclaren , He will end up at Ferrari. He is more important to the Big mac than you would think , Mclaren finally has a car after 3 yrs with the same testers in place , So Alonso leaves renault , Renault flops , jumps to Mclaren , the Big Mac is now good and it is not because of his contribution ...

To count out Alonso at this stage is very strange , man you even have him fired, , relegated to toyota, after beating schummie 2 yrs in a row , man this really makes Michael and ralf look overpaid , beaten by a Hack ...

Reality Alonso still set's the pace at the bIg Mac , Lewis and Alonso is now showing themselves to be the strongest Pr in F1 , Will Lewis pan out to be ahead of Alonso and win the WC . Yes, their is that strong possibility , will he do so again at Indy , yes , Alonso hates the place , but currently , Canada is the First race that he has bettered Alonso , Alonso Has consistently Out Q3 lewis , has more wins and more fastest laps , He has lost more points by making more errors , which is true and which is shown in the WC points , He is at Mclaren to produce , he took the chances ,the pressure for success is on his head , not lewis's Lewis on the other hand has kept his nose clean and doing what lewis has done his whole life and he now has the WC lead , but to act like the WC is over and Alonso will end up at toyota is way Premature and pretty off base , because Ferrari could use him right about now ........

What Alonso need's right now is an MS contract ... for his 3rd WC's
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Old 06-14-2007, 12:07 PM
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What McLaren needs is a driver who is not devisive

Teams do not need a somebody who whines about the bad treament he is getting. It is reasonable to expect a two time reigning world champion to act like a leader, not a mistake prone klutz given to hissy fits. Alonso behaves like a spoint child. If he continues as he is at present, he will drive the entire team away from him. Sadly, I expect more unfortunatel behaviour.

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Old 06-14-2007, 12:16 PM
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Hey,
I am no Alonso fan, but can the guy after one bad weekend and some whining? Naw, it is WAY to early for that. Alonso still won two WDC and Hamilton has what a few podiums and a win? Hamilton may become the second coming of Senna, but right now all he has is Potential. He could do this or could do that. Alonso has done quite a bit. Sure hey may be rattled, but lets see how this season turns out.
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Old 06-14-2007, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by A.Wayne
If Alonso leaves Mclaren , He will end up at Ferrari. He is more important to the Big mac than you would think , Mclaren finally has a car after 3 yrs with the same testers in place , So Alonso leaves renault , Renault flops , jumps to Mclaren , the Big Mac is now good and it is not because of his contribution ...
Of course Alonso is part of it but as you know, much much more is the aerodynamics, engine & chassis development done prior any track testing.

For example: McLaren introduced the new aerodynamic package front & rear first time for Monaco and those were also used in Canada.
Both Hamilton & Alonso were much stronger than Raikkonen & Massa in those two races.
Were Alonso & Hamilton all of a sudded so much better than Raikkonen and Massa because of the new aerodynamic parts (that were developed in wind tunnel with 0 input from drivers) or because they during testing told Mc what to do?

Whether the car understeers, oversteers or overall lacks grip (or whatever the problem is), it's hell of a lot easier to describe what the problem is than it is to fix it.

Biggest reason by far why Renault sucks and McLaren is so much better are the tyres & the broblems associated with them.
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Old 06-14-2007, 12:30 PM
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I'm not saying Alonso made the car and gave it to Mclaren , but he was brought in as the team leader and 2 times WC , it is not by luck Mclaren has 3 victories and at the moment a very fast car , all Parties involved has contributed to this ...
Look at this from Alonso position He is a spaniard in a british team with the second coming of the british as a teammate, FOr all of us to sit here and have the media shape Alonso comments is way off base, as we do not know the tone of his comment.... The real Answer will be at season's end ...
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Alonso is a front runner, plain and simple. If he's in the lead (race or points) he's fine. His personality has proved that when the pressure is on, he lashes out at everyone. Last year it was Ferrari coming back on Renault and overtaking them in points. This year it's his own teammate applying the pressure. He has never had a strong teammate up until now.

Alonso's days at McLaren are numbered because he NEEDS to be the #1 driver. The equal driver thing is not suited for his personality.

Let's not forget, this is year 1. Next year, Hamilton will be more entrenched at McLaren and will without question, be the top driver. I've said it before, I'll say it again, Hamilton is the company man that will lead McLaren for the next decade. Alonso is the hired gun that is expendable.

I can see Alonso at Ferrari in a couple years, if he's the clear #1 driver with support from the #2 toward his WC asperations.
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Old 06-14-2007, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by A.Wayne
Look at this from Alonso position He is a spaniard in a british team with the second coming of the british as a teammate, ...
What, he just now realized this?
He probably expected to be the #1 (I know, McLaren doesn't have #1 or #2 or team orders) and now when it seems likely he may in fact NOT be #1, he whines.
He should go back to Renault.....I'm sure Flav will take him back
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Old 06-14-2007, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by M3Pete
Alonso is a front runner, plain and simple. If he's in the lead (race or points) he's fine. His personality has proved that when the pressure is on, he lashes out at everyone. Last year it was Ferrari coming back on Renault and overtaking them in points. This year it's his own teammate applying the pressure. He has never had a strong teammate up until now.

Alonso's days at McLaren are numbered because he NEEDS to be the #1 driver. The equal driver thing is not suited for his personality.

Let's not forget, this is year 1. Next year, Hamilton will be more entrenched at McLaren and will without question, be the top driver. I've said it before, I'll say it again, Hamilton is the company man that will lead McLaren for the next decade. Alonso is the hired gun that is expendable.

I can see Alonso at Ferrari in a couple years, if he's the clear #1 driver with support from the #2 toward his WC asperations.

Agree , Fernando to ferrari .....

Hamilton is the company man he has been for 10 yrs , Him leaving Mclaren is not in his near future ......
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Because if Alonso goes to F, he'll have to be #2 to Massa
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Old 06-14-2007, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mitch236
Because if Alonso goes to F, he'll have to be #2 to Massa

Alonso is faster and better than Massa .....
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And Kimi was too...
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Old 06-14-2007, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mitch236
And Kimi was too...
Not by my vote .....
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