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Old 12-06-2023, 03:52 PM
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...ions/10555769/

Interesting that every team has now denied making a complaint to the FIA.

That may actually make the accusations a little worse as it sounds like someone within the FIA saw something they didn't like.
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...ions/10555769/

Interesting that every team has now denied making a complaint to the FIA.

That may actually make the accusations a little worse as it sounds like someone within the FIA saw something they didn't like.
Reading Christian Horner's denial, he said that Red Bull had not made any "official complaint" to the FIA.

I thought his use of the word "official" to be carefully chosen.

I also read Toto's and Susie's statements carefully. From what I have read so far, neither specifically denied the allegations. Perhaps I missed something?
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Originally Posted by Estoril
Reading Christian Horner's denial, he said that Red Bull had not made any "official complaint" to the FIA.

I thought his use of the word "official" to be carefully chosen.

I also read Toto's and Susie's statements carefully. From what I have read so far, neither specifically denied the allegations. Perhaps I missed something?
No, I don't think you're missing anything as you seem to be spot on. On the other hand, I also think that if 1 team denies and then other teams deny, the team that doesn't deny would be singled out, rightly or wrongly simply by not making a comment.
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Originally Posted by Estoril
Reading Christian Horner's denial, he said that Red Bull had not made any "official complaint" to the FIA.

I thought his use of the word "official" to be carefully chosen.

I also read Toto's and Susie's statements carefully. From what I have read so far, neither specifically denied the allegations. Perhaps I missed something?
The full quote from Horner is "We've not raised any official complaint or made any requests to the FIA or to FOM." He also stated "....certainly nothing to do with Red Bull."

I think all the team principles are as adept as the most experienced attorneys in regards to wordplay, but these statements would be completely at odds with any Red Bull involvement.
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This new(ish) head of the FIA is no Jean Todt, that’s for damn sure. I guess when you go around and secure all of the votes from small, even non-racing country’s representatives, it’s easy to win the vote over someone with an established racing background.
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Originally Posted by thebishman
This new(ish) head of the FIA is no Jean Todt, that’s for damn sure. I guess when you go around and secure all of the votes from small, even non-racing country’s representatives, it’s easy to win the vote over someone with an established racing background.
clear conflict of interests, regardless if anyone did anything
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Originally Posted by MSR Racer
clear conflict of interests, regardless if anyone did anything
If you’re talking about the Wolfe’s, there is the potential for a conflict of interest yes, but none has been proven at this point in time. The accusation has been denied by all of the F1 teams and Liberty Media. Now we wait for the FIA to investigate, which is where the problem lies imho, as it is a poorly managed organisation from the top down. Hence why LM is investigating a potential removal of F1 from FIA control.

This is likely to become a very big deal:

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/for...nd-susie-wolff

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Old 12-07-2023, 02:42 PM
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If Toto Wolff mentioned something in an F1 teams meeting that he could only know if he was told by someone with the same confidential information that Susie Wolff had access to, Toto should have to say where he got that information. It’s not a stretch to think he may have received that information from Susie Wolff. That is not misogynistic…that is logical thought.
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Originally Posted by thebishman
If you’re talking about the Wolfe’s, there is the potential for a conflict of interest yes, but none has been proven at this point in time. The accusation has been denied by all of the F1 teams and Liberty Media. Now we wait for the FIA to investigate, which is where the problem lies imho, as it is a poorly managed organisation from the top down. Hence why LM is investigating a potential removal of F1 from FIA control.

This is likely to become a very big deal:

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/for...nd-susie-wolff
Interesting choice of wording in that article. It's always baffled me how much influence the FIA has in F1, but realize how F1 needs someone to police them from themselves. That said, I can't help but think that with all the money being made now, the valuation of each team, FOM being it's own promoter in Vegas, the FIA quadrupling fines in F1 to 1m, and the large pot of money the FIA take off the backs of F1, that there wouldn't be more of a drive to drop FIA as the sanctioning body. About 15-20 years ago there was a push to do so, but it never materialized with the fractured nature of teams. I think something is brewing underneath the surface we all can't see yet.
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And just like that, FIA drops it...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...olff/10556097/
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Originally Posted by ProCoach
And just like that, FIA drops it...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...olff/10556097/
Feels a bit like someone at the FIA accidentally sent out the initial investigation notice and then had to do this:

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Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along.

FIA = clown show.
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Originally Posted by ProCoach
And just like that, FIA drops it...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...olff/10556097/
F1 has to be the ‘Golden Goose’ for the FIA, but with Liberty Media’s money now behind F1, the FIA finds itself in a precarious position as unlike the almost FOTA breakaway series, Liberty could make it work and all 10 teams would flip a big middle finger to the FIA as they head out the door.

I swear, I think the FIA could give FIFA a run for it’s money in being crooked!!


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