ill start by i have no beef with you i dont know you but watch the video from just a little before this to a little after they haven't hit yet watch closely you will see when jason goes by clarkes rear gets knocked to the left first then you see some smoke from his left rear then he hits jason with his left front if you dont agree thats fine but just look again

 

i meant knocked to the right

 

Looks to me like the rear got out of shape before contact because the red driver realized he’d FUBAR’ed the radius of the corner. Look at the right front wheel; he had to add a ton of steering to correct his mid-corner error, which got the rear loose. That wobble let to the contact. Certainly doesn’t look like purposeful contact, but definitely poor sporting as the intent was clearly to run the blue car into the dirt. When the blue car didn’t acquiesce to being run off, red car couldn’t make the corner.

I think the pitchforks are probably a bit much given (to me) it looks like an accident and not an intentional act, but I wouldn’t want to go wheel to wheel with that dude.

 

You've already agreed I didn't pinch him - and since I was ahead, and didn't turn down on him, what exactly are you looking to prove here?

We can all see the contact plainly in the rear view of the second video. Your driver was left a huge amount of racing room, and decided that space still wasn't enough. That's why the stewards immediately decided he was at fault, rescinded his ability to race his other car in the vintage race, and he was asked to leave the track.

What everyone is reacting to - and the reason this is the issue it's become - is that he took no action to avoid the contact, neither before nor after the hit. He made the decision to turn what could have been a simple tap into a much bigger incident that did a big $$ damage to my car, and put us both at risk of physical harm.

Trying to talk about anything else is just noise!

 

The pitchforks are a result of history - because this driver just came off 13/13 and constantly puts other drivers and their metal in harm's way.

 

Ok, but can you explain why do the right side front wheel never turn right to avoid continuing to spear the blue car? If the steering wheel is still connected to the rack, at least that side would have turned. Also, I would have expected the rears to have locked up at some point if the red car driver was in fact on the brakes hard.

Agreed. Video with a data overlay would prove the point the shop owner is alleging. Since video is required by PCA, it should exist.

 

Pretty simple. Show us the red car video. Clearly, given Clake's propensity to post and pass judgement on others, time for him to step up and show his in car.

 

Video from the red car I’m sure does exist but we’ll never see it. I’m willing to bet on it because the driver of the red car cannot show it or the weak argument being made here intrsportcharlie would be invalidated very quickly.

the guy brings two cars to every race. What is the thinking there, I need a spare in case I total one? Who does that? A guy that has an accident every single race I guess

 

Poor conduct by the offending driver. It’s a character flaw. No fixing that.

 

Initial contact is caused by the red car not being able to execute the turn with the sufficient room given. It’s the drivers fault but falls into the unfortunate category. Driving the blue car into the tires, which is what appears to have happened is a lot more than unfortunate.

 

We all are capable of making mistakes. It's what we do after we make mistakes that exposes our true character to those around us.

 

Sad to see someone in club racing as unconcerned for others as "Clake" is. Obviously the dude has attitude issues.

 

This

 

The problem is he is not on the track by himself. We all share the track and are within inches of each other. Do you really want your prized car or your safety in his hands? I don't.

 

Well said.