Canadian Grand Prix - Great Race Ruined by Stewards
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C'mon guys, we've entered the best part of a rennlist thread where an actual expert arrives and is told they don't know what the hell they are talking about.
#153
C'mon, Lewis locked up his tires into the hairpin, it's totally the same despite the facts presented by someone who actually knows.
It sounds like HAD Seb given up the position voluntarily BEFORE the penalty was enforced and just gone racing they wouldn't have given the penalty and we would have seen some great racing. I wish F1 had the option to order a driver to give up position as well as the 5 second, 10 second and stop/go option...
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Currently, there is a lot of "WWCD?" (What would Charlie do ?) discussion. That's not fair to the Michael - the current guy in the hot seat - as it was the Ferrari team & driver that held responsibility for all of this.
No penalty is casually considered.
Everybody knows what's at stake.
Stewards are good with being correct, rather than being popular.
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#157
A "straw man fallacy", to add to the earlier "bandwagon fallacy".
No one here Few here are able to have a dispassionate discussion about actual rules and actual facts. Sigh.
The Race Director can suggest to the team that they give a position back, but does not have the authority to order it. If the team does not give it back, the Race Director will refer it to the Stewards, who will consider the facts and the rules, and come to a decision. During a race, this happens in real time. It generates a flurry of activity.
Currently, there is a lot of "WWCD?" (What would Charlie do ?) discussion. That's not fair to the Michael - the current guy in the hot seat - as it was the Ferrari team & driver that held responsibility for all of this.
No penalty is casually considered.
Everybody knows what's at stake.
Stewards are good with being correct, rather than being popular.
The Race Director can suggest to the team that they give a position back, but does not have the authority to order it. If the team does not give it back, the Race Director will refer it to the Stewards, who will consider the facts and the rules, and come to a decision. During a race, this happens in real time. It generates a flurry of activity.
Currently, there is a lot of "WWCD?" (What would Charlie do ?) discussion. That's not fair to the Michael - the current guy in the hot seat - as it was the Ferrari team & driver that held responsibility for all of this.
No penalty is casually considered.
Everybody knows what's at stake.
Stewards are good with being correct, rather than being popular.
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So based on your analysis he should have received at least 10 more seconds of penalties.
Good luck with that.
A far as opinions, there are very few actual truths in this small world professor and the laws of physics are are about as close to truth as we get.
This will be my final comment on the issue,
Cheers
Good luck with that.
A far as opinions, there are very few actual truths in this small world professor and the laws of physics are are about as close to truth as we get.
This will be my final comment on the issue,
Cheers
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But most would say that the laws of physics didn't cause Seb to make a mistake which caused him to go into the grass and lose control of his car. Or you could instead argue that everything (including human cognition) follows the laws of physics all the time, so no one is ever at fault for anything they do.
His mistake violated the laws of physics , that is why he ended up where he did. Is that in dispute?
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#163
The only thing he "violated" were track limits, everything that transpired followed the laws of physics perfectly. The one thing I have really wanted to see the whole time is his throttle trace and when he went back to full. It had to be a momentary lift on his part to maintain the momentum he did. To me that indicates how out of control he felt when he got it back on the pavement. I mean kudos to him for not putting in too much input to over correct and put it into the wall which is what I think a lot of people would have done but that doesn't absolve the original cause of the sequence of events.
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Why is there this notion that losing control of the car absolves you of responsibility for what happens next?
#165
A "straw man fallacy", to add to the earlier "bandwagon fallacy".
No one here Few here are able to have a dispassionate discussion about actual rules and actual facts. Sigh.
The Race Director can suggest to the team that they give a position back, but does not have the authority to order it. If the team does not give it back, the Race Director will refer it to the Stewards, who will consider the facts and the rules, and come to a decision. During a race, this happens in real time. It generates a flurry of activity.
Currently, there is a lot of "WWCD?" (What would Charlie do ?) discussion. That's not fair to the Michael - the current guy in the hot seat - as it was the Ferrari team & driver that held responsibility for all of this.
No penalty is casually considered.
Everybody knows what's at stake.
Stewards are good with being correct, rather than being popular.
The Race Director can suggest to the team that they give a position back, but does not have the authority to order it. If the team does not give it back, the Race Director will refer it to the Stewards, who will consider the facts and the rules, and come to a decision. During a race, this happens in real time. It generates a flurry of activity.
Currently, there is a lot of "WWCD?" (What would Charlie do ?) discussion. That's not fair to the Michael - the current guy in the hot seat - as it was the Ferrari team & driver that held responsibility for all of this.
No penalty is casually considered.
Everybody knows what's at stake.
Stewards are good with being correct, rather than being popular.
Thanks for posting here, and for your expertise in presenting the actual rules as agreed to by ALL of the teams!
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