Canadian Grand Prix - Great Race Ruined by Stewards
06-11-2019, 12:06 PM
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People are sick of Mercedes winning and want anyone else, including Ferrari, to win. However, if the places were swapped in the race, I don't think I would feel any different.
06-11-2019, 01:09 PM
#122
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So far, I think the racers and team reps have comported themselves pretty well in the aftermath. I did not seem to me that Seb's behavior immediately after the race was horribly untoward. After all, in the end he is a human being. With thousands of hours of media training. But still human. As are the stewards.
I was warned to watch for "something" by a friend who watched the race before I did. No issues with that. When I saw what I thought might be the something... I will be honest: my immediate thought was about Charlie Whiting (RIP). Not sure that a person in his former role would be involved at all. But Mr. Whiting was my immediate thought.
May he rest in peace.
Hopefully everyone learns from this and moves on. Not only the incident, but the weekend as a whole.
I noted how both drivers were super appreciative of the fans. I though their comments about the crowd were genuine.
I was warned to watch for "something" by a friend who watched the race before I did. No issues with that. When I saw what I thought might be the something... I will be honest: my immediate thought was about Charlie Whiting (RIP). Not sure that a person in his former role would be involved at all. But Mr. Whiting was my immediate thought.
May he rest in peace.
Hopefully everyone learns from this and moves on. Not only the incident, but the weekend as a whole.
I noted how both drivers were super appreciative of the fans. I though their comments about the crowd were genuine.
06-11-2019, 02:21 PM
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Correct. But when you have several former F1 drivers and multiple F1 champions come out on one side and on the other side you have only Nico Rosberg (who is still on Mercedes payroll for promotional appearances and may be a tad bid biased), I'm going with the unpopular vote based on years of experience from a wide range of drivers who have nothing to gain either way.
06-11-2019, 02:22 PM
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Here's a question to all of you who race:
If you're leading a race, and have a really good shot at your first win of the season, and go off track with second place right behind you...do you say to yourself "Damn, I just made a mistake. I'll give up my my position and let second place go through."?
If you're a racer - Hell no!! You're going to fight to hang on with everything you got.
Seb has the killer instinct. Every champion has it. If the roles were reversed, I would have expected Hamilton to do the same. Do you think Kimi, Alonso, or Schumacher would have been thinking about a safe re-entry in the same situation? Ha!
If you're leading a race, and have a really good shot at your first win of the season, and go off track with second place right behind you...do you say to yourself "Damn, I just made a mistake. I'll give up my my position and let second place go through."?
If you're a racer - Hell no!! You're going to fight to hang on with everything you got.
Seb has the killer instinct. Every champion has it. If the roles were reversed, I would have expected Hamilton to do the same. Do you think Kimi, Alonso, or Schumacher would have been thinking about a safe re-entry in the same situation? Ha!
06-11-2019, 02:26 PM
#125
My input on MissionSpinnow Boy is he shouldn't have run off track and there wouldn't have been an issue. The grass isn't meant to be driven on. If he'd not made the mistake none of this would have happened. So it's his fault 100%. He does not race well under pressure and it shows. I'll be glad when he's left the sport.
06-11-2019, 02:29 PM
#126
OK, the tyre change was NOT made at Mercedes request, Pirelli has been very clear on that, Seb said himself he agreed with the tyre decision last year. Finally and most importantly here, there is the concept of appropriate blame.... Seb opened himself up to the BS penalty, no one created something out of nothing. If Seb doesn't blow that corner then you aren't hear complaining about penalties and tyres. But Seb did make a mistake which has now turned into an FIA conspiracy and a discussion on tyres... Funny, the tires were working fine when Seb was leading and Charles was ahead of VB.
So stop blaming everyone else and just lay the blame squarely where it belongs. Seb. Without his initial mistake none of us are here discussing anything but Ferrari's return to form going 1 and 3 and finally breaking the Mercedes 1,2 run... Once again though, it was a self inflicted mistake...
I also just want to say because it has to be said, can you IMAGINE if Lewis went storming off to his trailer, had to be dragged back to the podium pouting and then changed the numbers of the cars in the Podium... Just stop and think about how Seb's behavior has been recv'd and what the reaction would have been if it was Lewis... Nah, no bias in this sport
So stop blaming everyone else and just lay the blame squarely where it belongs. Seb. Without his initial mistake none of us are here discussing anything but Ferrari's return to form going 1 and 3 and finally breaking the Mercedes 1,2 run... Once again though, it was a self inflicted mistake...
I also just want to say because it has to be said, can you IMAGINE if Lewis went storming off to his trailer, had to be dragged back to the podium pouting and then changed the numbers of the cars in the Podium... Just stop and think about how Seb's behavior has been recv'd and what the reaction would have been if it was Lewis... Nah, no bias in this sport
06-11-2019, 02:40 PM
#127
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the real issue here is not whether Vettel deserved a penalty (I think he deserved it) but that the 5s penalty is inefficient and has unintended consequences (eg hamilton just hangs back within <5s as he is not being pressured by Leclerc.
a better penalty than a 5s penalty is one of the following:
any of the above examples would result in continued racing (and a potential pass as a direct result) and maybe even improved racing as Vettel would have been able to make up for the penalty by re-passing which is more attractive for the viewer
a better penalty than a 5s penalty is one of the following:
- give up a spot to any competitor who is within 4s at moment of penalty assessment
- no DRS for 5 laps
- 1000rpm lower rev limit for 2 laps.
any of the above examples would result in continued racing (and a potential pass as a direct result) and maybe even improved racing as Vettel would have been able to make up for the penalty by re-passing which is more attractive for the viewer
06-11-2019, 05:04 PM
#128
Correct. But when you have several former F1 drivers and multiple F1 champions come out on one side and on the other side you have only Nico Rosberg (who is still on Mercedes payroll for promotional appearances and may be a tad bid biased), I'm going with the unpopular vote based on years of experience from a wide range of drivers who have nothing to gain either way.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/48583803
06-11-2019, 08:38 PM
#129
Burning Brakes
For all of you critics of the Stewards decision in this matter -
Can you please identify, IN ADVANCE, which rules you would like the Stewards to ignore each weekend ? Thanks k-bye.
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(currently holding an FIA International Steward license, Chairman of the Stewards of a large-ish pro road-racing series, bouncing back and forth over the Atlantic)
06-11-2019, 10:17 PM
#130
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For all of you critics of the Stewards decision in this matter -
Can you please identify, IN ADVANCE, which rules you would like the Stewards to ignore each weekend ? Thanks k-bye.
PHT
(currently holding an FIA International Steward license, Chairman of the Stewards of a large-ish pro road-racing series, bouncing back and forth over the Atlantic)
06-11-2019, 10:27 PM
#131
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Well this will go on for another 10 pages but the bottom line is that F1 has become a joke,....a very boring joke.
06-13-2019, 11:05 AM
#132
FORMULA 1 / CANADIAN GP / []=19]ANALYSIS
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...8qWojhXRRHGgWY
Second steering wheel movement key to Vettel penalty
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...8qWojhXRRHGgWY
06-13-2019, 12:15 PM
#133
I wanted Vettel to win but he's always had this problem that he throws late blocks.
It's his emotions driving him to make a move after it's too late.
If you missed the chance to block then stay on your own side of the track. Not sure he's ever done that.
It's his emotions driving him to make a move after it's too late.
If you missed the chance to block then stay on your own side of the track. Not sure he's ever done that.
06-13-2019, 12:18 PM
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I wanted (substitute any front running multi-time world champion from the last twenty years here) to win but he's always had this problem that he throws late blocks.
It's his emotions driving him to make a move after it's too late.
If you missed the chance to block then stay on your own side of the track. Not sure he's ever done that.
It's his emotions driving him to make a move after it's too late.
If you missed the chance to block then stay on your own side of the track. Not sure he's ever done that.
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06-13-2019, 05:16 PM
#135
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I also just want to say because it has to be said, can you IMAGINE if Lewis went storming off to his trailer, had to be dragged back to the podium pouting and then changed the numbers of the cars in the Podium... Just stop and think about how Seb's behavior has been recv'd and what the reaction would have been if it was Lewis... Nah, no bias in this sport
I think the penalty could have gone either way, but stewards deciding a race sucks. Probably should have just "let them race" in the end....
But if it had to happen, I'm giddy as hell that it happened to Seb.
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