Question about track tires
#1
Instructor
Thread Starter
Question about track tires
Last weekend while doing track prep, I found that my LR tire had a screw in the tire (NT01). The screw did not puncture the tire. In fact, I adjusted the pressures back to my "street" driving pressures and its held pressure just fine the whole week.
Question is, should I trust the tire? or replace it? There is still life in the tire as far as tread and compound goes.
My second set of track wheels has a fresh new set of NT01, ready to go, but I also just hate to waste tires that still have life in them.
Thanks.
Question is, should I trust the tire? or replace it? There is still life in the tire as far as tread and compound goes.
My second set of track wheels has a fresh new set of NT01, ready to go, but I also just hate to waste tires that still have life in them.
Thanks.
#2
Rennlist Hoonigan
which cost no drachmas
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Rennlist
Site Sponsor
which cost no drachmas
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Rennlist
Site Sponsor
How deep was it and where? Sometimes the object doesn't get though the tread block, but t could be deep enough to get to the cords.
#3
Instructor
Thread Starter
Thanks Matt for the reply. The screw I pulled out, was about 6-7 mm and it punctured close to the outside of the tire, in one of the larger sections of the contact patch.
#4
Rennlist Member
Why not rotate in the old 3 tires and use them up? Can you throw on the new set until they are similarly heat cycled and then swap in old to mix them up?
#6
@bml376
I think you should not ask us for that one. This is way too much responsibilities.
If yourself, you have less than a pure 100% sure feeling, i.e.: even a single doubt, then go with to a good tire shop to discuss with a real tire specialist.
I would not count on "us" for such decision !
Very sincerely.
I think you should not ask us for that one. This is way too much responsibilities.
If yourself, you have less than a pure 100% sure feeling, i.e.: even a single doubt, then go with to a good tire shop to discuss with a real tire specialist.
I would not count on "us" for such decision !
Very sincerely.
Last edited by GVA-SFO; 10-27-2018 at 12:22 AM.
#7
Now, if still you would like to ask me, here is my position:
NEVER take ANY chance on tires. These are one of the most important pieces of our car. And like for brake pads, where the good track rule should be to not use pads when less than 50% remain, simply because the heat path goes from rotor to pad to caliper pistons and ..to liquid ! In this path, the pads “meat” is the best temperature isolation.
Or : if we can do that for the pads, ..we definitively should also do that for the tires, ..and never wait to go on “end of rubber” !
In my side, I had a kind of similar situation. While inspecting my NT01 (before going to the tragic day in Laguna Seca two weeks ago), I found a kind of “funny cut”, not as low as up to the cords, ..but a cut, still ! These NTs would have been good to probably 2 more track days !
I simply decided to throw them out, and used another new set that I had, i.e.: BF Goodrich G Force R1 (BF Goodrich ..is Michelin !!)
Btw, do not ask what I "prefer", (i.e.: NT or the "R1"), the first day of these “Michelin”, ..was a pretty bad day !
OK, it is true, ..this is much more than two cents !
But..
NEVER take ANY chance on tires. These are one of the most important pieces of our car. And like for brake pads, where the good track rule should be to not use pads when less than 50% remain, simply because the heat path goes from rotor to pad to caliper pistons and ..to liquid ! In this path, the pads “meat” is the best temperature isolation.
Or : if we can do that for the pads, ..we definitively should also do that for the tires, ..and never wait to go on “end of rubber” !
In my side, I had a kind of similar situation. While inspecting my NT01 (before going to the tragic day in Laguna Seca two weeks ago), I found a kind of “funny cut”, not as low as up to the cords, ..but a cut, still ! These NTs would have been good to probably 2 more track days !
I simply decided to throw them out, and used another new set that I had, i.e.: BF Goodrich G Force R1 (BF Goodrich ..is Michelin !!)
Btw, do not ask what I "prefer", (i.e.: NT or the "R1"), the first day of these “Michelin”, ..was a pretty bad day !
OK, it is true, ..this is much more than two cents !
But..
Trending Topics
#8
Addict
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
Free advice on the internet is usually only worth as much as you pay for it. Nobody should compromise safety on track, especially as it relates to tires brakes or steering. Have a professional look at it. Personally, I’d err on the side of caution - but that’s just me.
#9
My tire guy says if it's on the last block of tread next to the sidewall he will not repair it, if that's what it needs......and this is for the street.
I'd take it in and pull it off the rim to see exactly what you've got--better safe than sorry, especially if I'm near you on track if/when it fails.
Gary
I'd take it in and pull it off the rim to see exactly what you've got--better safe than sorry, especially if I'm near you on track if/when it fails.
Gary
#12
Rennlist Member
Not sure I would trust the tire. That's me. It's not enough to just fill it and see if it holds pressure.. Drive it ***** out and see if it holds. If this idea makes you nervous you have your answer.
But it does sound like you have some wear in the tires and that where a strong opinion comes in. Mixing a fresh tire with a tire "that still has life" is a bad idea. Unless the suspect in question only has a few cycles on it replace in pairs
But it does sound like you have some wear in the tires and that where a strong opinion comes in. Mixing a fresh tire with a tire "that still has life" is a bad idea. Unless the suspect in question only has a few cycles on it replace in pairs
Free advice on the internet is usually only worth as much as you pay for it. Nobody should compromise safety on track, especially as it relates to tires brakes or steering. Have a professional look at it. Personally, I’d err on the side of caution - but that’s just me.
#13
Instructor
Thread Starter
Thanks for all the suggestions. I just put on a fresh brand new set for my upcoming track day. I'll likely toss the old set, or perhaps use them on a skidpad or autocross where the stakes are lower if the tire were to fail.
#14
Rennlist Member
This sport is uselessly expensive without throwing perfectly good stuff out the window IMO.
#15
Rennlist Member
Last weekend while doing track prep, I found that my LR tire had a screw in the tire (NT01). The screw did not puncture the tire. In fact, I adjusted the pressures back to my "street" driving pressures and its held pressure just fine the whole week.
Question is, should I trust the tire? or replace it? There is still life in the tire as far as tread and compound goes.
My second set of track wheels has a fresh new set of NT01, ready to go, but I also just hate to waste tires that still have life in them.
Thanks.
Question is, should I trust the tire? or replace it? There is still life in the tire as far as tread and compound goes.
My second set of track wheels has a fresh new set of NT01, ready to go, but I also just hate to waste tires that still have life in them.
Thanks.