Carbon Ceramic Rotor Replacement for Panamera
#1
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Carbon Ceramic Rotor Replacement for Panamera
Hello,
RacingBrake is a sponsor of rennlist and we have been presenting our CCB for 911 and Cayenne.
I heard CCB rotor replacement for Panamera is extremely expensive so I wonder how you deal with the replacement or maintenance on your CCB.
Racingbrake is a brake company with 30 years in business and located in Fullerton, CA specialized in Carbon Ceramic Brake (Rotor, pad, complete brake system)
See our CCB offer for Porsche:
http://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7200.htm
We don't list for Panamera yet but like to see if there is a demand.
Thank you.
RacingBrake is a sponsor of rennlist and we have been presenting our CCB for 911 and Cayenne.
I heard CCB rotor replacement for Panamera is extremely expensive so I wonder how you deal with the replacement or maintenance on your CCB.
Racingbrake is a brake company with 30 years in business and located in Fullerton, CA specialized in Carbon Ceramic Brake (Rotor, pad, complete brake system)
See our CCB offer for Porsche:
http://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7200.htm
We don't list for Panamera yet but like to see if there is a demand.
Thank you.
#2
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
This picture shows RB standard front CCM rotor (394x36) under Cayenne Turbo S caliper. Installed with a caliper spacer allowing to up-size from OE's 380mm rotor to a big CCM rotor kit with a perfect fitment w/o needing any modification.
Last edited by RacingBrake; 05-11-2016 at 09:15 PM.
#5
Hello RacingBrake,
Great to meet you here, glad to read more about your CCB solutions.
A bit out of topic here, but :
What's about your solution for an (old, i.e.: 2001) Boxster (S), that is "mostly" a track car ! (I.e.: the tires that are currently in the car are (18") Nitto NT01 !!)
I currently plan to go Brembo "big brake kit" (6P) in the front. (And I'm looking if the current front caliper can be fitted on the rear !)
I would love the weight gain of the ceramic, ..but, did not like so much the high cost of it.
I also have some fears, hearing about so many track guys removing PCCB to go back to steel brakes !
(I.e.: did not had any stone problem last week, but, again.. see : https://rennlist.com/forums/panamera...l#post13274065 !!!!)
Also, I never seen solutions where people would go ceramic on the front, and keep steel in the rear !
Any good reason why not ?
About your question on CCB for Panamera, here is my feeling : We use our Panamera as a GT, and do miles with it.
I have been in situations where I got (bad road) stones stuck between the rotor protection steel plate and the rotor, (and was thinking: "well great that I do not have PCCB !!") and also, with such grand touring use, I could be often in situations where for good time, you do not touch the brake, but still may have the emergency to use brakes ..and want strong brake, ..or a typical situation where PCCB is not at its best !!
Note that the current brakes that I have (original ones), are the monobloc 6 pistons, and these are absolutely incredible.
(We have the same on our Cayenne (turbo) and even when towing the boat (6'500 pounds), I feel that these would stop a freight train !)
About unsprung mass, frankly, with the Panamera, I do not care that much. By DNA, ..it is not a light horse !!
So, in my case, I do not think I will ever be a potential customer for CCB on the Panamera (currently a 4S), but could move to a Turbo one of these days.
But, in my Boxster, this is VERY different !!!
(For any info about it, see on this Forum, "986" chapter, topic "PIWIS Reading a lot of R1 and...")
Great to meet you here, glad to read more about your CCB solutions.
A bit out of topic here, but :
What's about your solution for an (old, i.e.: 2001) Boxster (S), that is "mostly" a track car ! (I.e.: the tires that are currently in the car are (18") Nitto NT01 !!)
I currently plan to go Brembo "big brake kit" (6P) in the front. (And I'm looking if the current front caliper can be fitted on the rear !)
I would love the weight gain of the ceramic, ..but, did not like so much the high cost of it.
I also have some fears, hearing about so many track guys removing PCCB to go back to steel brakes !
(I.e.: did not had any stone problem last week, but, again.. see : https://rennlist.com/forums/panamera...l#post13274065 !!!!)
Also, I never seen solutions where people would go ceramic on the front, and keep steel in the rear !
Any good reason why not ?
About your question on CCB for Panamera, here is my feeling : We use our Panamera as a GT, and do miles with it.
I have been in situations where I got (bad road) stones stuck between the rotor protection steel plate and the rotor, (and was thinking: "well great that I do not have PCCB !!") and also, with such grand touring use, I could be often in situations where for good time, you do not touch the brake, but still may have the emergency to use brakes ..and want strong brake, ..or a typical situation where PCCB is not at its best !!
Note that the current brakes that I have (original ones), are the monobloc 6 pistons, and these are absolutely incredible.
(We have the same on our Cayenne (turbo) and even when towing the boat (6'500 pounds), I feel that these would stop a freight train !)
About unsprung mass, frankly, with the Panamera, I do not care that much. By DNA, ..it is not a light horse !!
So, in my case, I do not think I will ever be a potential customer for CCB on the Panamera (currently a 4S), but could move to a Turbo one of these days.
But, in my Boxster, this is VERY different !!!
(For any info about it, see on this Forum, "986" chapter, topic "PIWIS Reading a lot of R1 and...")
Last edited by GVA-SFO; 05-16-2016 at 02:32 PM.
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#10
Ouch, Pano on track !
Why not, but this is going to be expensive shots !
In my track experience, the only "place" where I would have been comfy to have my Panamera, was Monza, a real fast track, but frankly, in places like Laguna Seca, or Sears Point, I would not do that.
I still feel that on track, "light is right". You pay the track miles by the weight.
..My two cents !
Why not, but this is going to be expensive shots !
In my track experience, the only "place" where I would have been comfy to have my Panamera, was Monza, a real fast track, but frankly, in places like Laguna Seca, or Sears Point, I would not do that.
I still feel that on track, "light is right". You pay the track miles by the weight.
..My two cents !
#12
Ouch, Pano on track !
Why not, but this is going to be expensive shots !
In my track experience, the only "place" where I would have been comfy to have my Panamera, was Monza, a real fast track, but frankly, in places like Laguna Seca, or Sears Point, I would not do that.
I still feel that on track, "light is right". You pay the track miles by the weight.
..My two cents !
Why not, but this is going to be expensive shots !
In my track experience, the only "place" where I would have been comfy to have my Panamera, was Monza, a real fast track, but frankly, in places like Laguna Seca, or Sears Point, I would not do that.
I still feel that on track, "light is right". You pay the track miles by the weight.
..My two cents !
#13
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Hello RacingBrake,
Great to meet you here, glad to read more about your CCB solutions.
A bit out of topic here, but :
What's about your solution for an (old, i.e.: 2001) Boxster (S), that is "mostly" a track car ! (I.e.: the tires that are currently in the car are (18") Nitto NT01 !!)
I currently plan to go Brembo "big brake kit" (6P) in the front. (And I'm looking if the current front caliper can be fitted on the rear !)
I would love the weight gain of the ceramic, ..but, did not like so much the high cost of it.
I also have some fears, hearing about so many track guys removing PCCB to go back to steel brakes !
Great to meet you here, glad to read more about your CCB solutions.
A bit out of topic here, but :
What's about your solution for an (old, i.e.: 2001) Boxster (S), that is "mostly" a track car ! (I.e.: the tires that are currently in the car are (18") Nitto NT01 !!)
I currently plan to go Brembo "big brake kit" (6P) in the front. (And I'm looking if the current front caliper can be fitted on the rear !)
I would love the weight gain of the ceramic, ..but, did not like so much the high cost of it.
I also have some fears, hearing about so many track guys removing PCCB to go back to steel brakes !
Usually the front calipers are designed to have larger pistons than the rear, w/o knowing your intended Brembo 6 pot pistons size it's hard for me to comment, but mostly likely it has the similar piston size as your stock front, so moving it to the rear is unlikely to be a good idea.
We do offer CCM front and iron rear for GTR, BMW M3/M4 and Mercedes C63 (In fact for C63 BS, only front CCB factory option is available)
I have been testing this combo set up on my GS350 (Lexus) for street driving for more than a year now, and found it runs very well w/o any compatibility issue while this front CCB/ rear Iron combo can save a lot of money.
For 18" wheel combo kit w/RB calipers it can be have under $10K.
#14
Race Director
Originally Posted by Skidmarkz
That's an awesome price - I looked briefly but saw something like 700 Euro per rotor...
#15
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Refurbishment prices:
http://www.sicom-europe.com/refurbishment-service.html
to 360 mm 793,00 €
to 380 mm 890,00 €
to 400 mm 950,00 €
to 420 mm 1.150,00 €
I have seen discussion on this refurbishing service all over the place, but haven't seen anyone ever posted a review or comment about its longevity or how it performed vs. OE aside from the cost factor.
As a comparison, RB iron conversion rotor for 991 GT3 pccb replacement (410/390mm) costs $700 ea, fully assembled which is much less than their 400mm refurbishment costing $1,058
http://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7351.htm
So where is the advantage ??
http://www.sicom-europe.com/refurbishment-service.html
to 360 mm 793,00 €
to 380 mm 890,00 €
to 400 mm 950,00 €
to 420 mm 1.150,00 €
I have seen discussion on this refurbishing service all over the place, but haven't seen anyone ever posted a review or comment about its longevity or how it performed vs. OE aside from the cost factor.
As a comparison, RB iron conversion rotor for 991 GT3 pccb replacement (410/390mm) costs $700 ea, fully assembled which is much less than their 400mm refurbishment costing $1,058
http://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7351.htm
So where is the advantage ??
Last edited by RacingBrake; 07-08-2016 at 09:29 AM.