Carbon Ceramic Rotor Replacement for Panamera
#16
Race Director
Refurbishment prices:
http://www.sicom-europe.com/refurbishment-service.html
to 360 mm 793,00 €
to 380 mm 890,00 €
to 400 mm 950,00 €
to 420 mm 1.150,00 €
I have seen this refurbishing service all over the place, but haven't seen anyone ever posted a review or comment about its longevity or how it performed vs. OE aside from the cost factor.
As a comparison, RB iron conversion rotor for 991 GT3 pccb replacement (410/390mm) costs $718 ea, fully assembled which is much less than their 400mm refurbishment costing $1,058
http://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7351.htm
So where is the advantage ??
http://www.sicom-europe.com/refurbishment-service.html
to 360 mm 793,00 €
to 380 mm 890,00 €
to 400 mm 950,00 €
to 420 mm 1.150,00 €
I have seen this refurbishing service all over the place, but haven't seen anyone ever posted a review or comment about its longevity or how it performed vs. OE aside from the cost factor.
As a comparison, RB iron conversion rotor for 991 GT3 pccb replacement (410/390mm) costs $718 ea, fully assembled which is much less than their 400mm refurbishment costing $1,058
http://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7351.htm
So where is the advantage ??
the refurbishment service is for those who have purchased PCCB when the car was new, and once those are worn, rather than purchasing new ceramic rotors, can get new life out of them for less than $4k spend for a full set. You are talking about going to iron rotors, so you lose the benefits of ceramic...
I'm considering your RB ceramic rotors once I need to change out my OEM iron ones on my spyder, maybe even uprating to your complete ceramic rotors + calipers. However, had I gone with pccb originally, then getting them refurbished would a no-brainer. make sense?
#18
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
with all respect to your great product, you're comparing apples to oranges.
the refurbishment service is for those who have purchased PCCB when the car was new, and once those are worn, rather than purchasing new ceramic rotors, can get new life out of them for less than $4k spend for a full set. You are talking about going to iron rotors, so you lose the benefits of ceramic...
I'm considering your RB ceramic rotors once I need to change out my OEM iron ones on my spyder, maybe even uprating to your complete ceramic rotors + calipers. However, had I gone with pccb originally, then getting them refurbished would a no-brainer. make sense?
the refurbishment service is for those who have purchased PCCB when the car was new, and once those are worn, rather than purchasing new ceramic rotors, can get new life out of them for less than $4k spend for a full set. You are talking about going to iron rotors, so you lose the benefits of ceramic...
I'm considering your RB ceramic rotors once I need to change out my OEM iron ones on my spyder, maybe even uprating to your complete ceramic rotors + calipers. However, had I gone with pccb originally, then getting them refurbished would a no-brainer. make sense?
It's not trying to compare an iron rotor to a CCM rotor just to clarify.
#19
Former Vendor
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#21
Former Vendor
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We have 410mm and 390mm iron rotor rings that we can design the required rotor hats for CCB conversion.
Do you know of your CCB rotor size (front and rear). It seems ccb and iron have same caliper although not quite sure if ccb and iron rotor are the same in thickness and offset.
Do you know of your CCB rotor size (front and rear). It seems ccb and iron have same caliper although not quite sure if ccb and iron rotor are the same in thickness and offset.
#22
We have 410mm and 390mm iron rotor rings that we can design the required rotor hats for CCB conversion.
Do you know of your CCB rotor size (front and rear). It seems ccb and iron have same caliper although not quite sure if ccb and iron rotor are the same in thickness and offset.
Do you know of your CCB rotor size (front and rear). It seems ccb and iron have same caliper although not quite sure if ccb and iron rotor are the same in thickness and offset.
http://press.porsche.com/vehicles/20...l-Variants.pdf
#23
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Thank you for the link w/rotor specs. Replacement iron rotors for 360mm and 390mm rotors disc tooling are available; but for pccb 420mm iron conversion will require a new casting tooling to fit OE caliper/pad.
Alternatively we can design a complete brake system with our 6/4 pot calipers and the rotor size can be as big as 432mm (need 21/22" wheels)
Not sure if Turbo S and Turbo SE owners are more interested in replacing their pccb or converting them to iron.
Alternatively we can design a complete brake system with our 6/4 pot calipers and the rotor size can be as big as 432mm (need 21/22" wheels)
Not sure if Turbo S and Turbo SE owners are more interested in replacing their pccb or converting them to iron.
#24
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Good news for those own Turbo S with 420mm pccb looking for converting to iron, we have since tooled up a casting (Mold# D604) with 420x38x88mm which was made for those cars with 420x40mm CCB such as Audi RS7, Bentley Continental, and Porsche Panamera Turbo S.
Disc wt is estimated @30 lbs, with light weight aluminum hat and hardware the assembly weight is to be about 33 lbs.
Complete front and rear rotor kit can be ordered here with a 6-8 wks leadtime.
Whether you are looking for rotor replacement, upgrade, or conversion, RB is the place for all your braking needs.
Disc wt is estimated @30 lbs, with light weight aluminum hat and hardware the assembly weight is to be about 33 lbs.
Complete front and rear rotor kit can be ordered here with a 6-8 wks leadtime.
Whether you are looking for rotor replacement, upgrade, or conversion, RB is the place for all your braking needs.
Last edited by RacingBrake; 09-21-2017 at 09:50 AM.
#26
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Whether you are looking for brake replacement (pccb or iron), or converting from pccb to iron, or upgrading from iron to pccb, we have answer to ALL.
The most comprehensive brake store on earth for your Panamera.
http://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7375.htm
The most comprehensive brake store on earth for your Panamera.
http://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7375.htm
#27
Poseur
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#28
We have all kind of solution for your Boxster fits 18" wheels, typically you can upsize to 350/350mm 997TT, or 370/365 CTS-V set up. But we prefer to supply the complete system (including calipers) to eliminate retrofit concern/issue.
Usually the front calipers are designed to have larger pistons than the rear, w/o knowing your intended Brembo 6 pot pistons size it's hard for me to comment, but mostly likely it has the similar piston size as your stock front, so moving it to the rear is unlikely to be a good idea.
We do offer CCM front and iron rear for GTR, BMW M3/M4 and Mercedes C63 (In fact for C63 BS, only front CCB factory option is available)
I have been testing this combo set up on my GS350 (Lexus) for street driving for more than a year now, and found it runs very well w/o any compatibility issue while this front CCB/ rear Iron combo can save a lot of money.
For 18" wheel combo kit w/RB calipers it can be have under $10K.
Usually the front calipers are designed to have larger pistons than the rear, w/o knowing your intended Brembo 6 pot pistons size it's hard for me to comment, but mostly likely it has the similar piston size as your stock front, so moving it to the rear is unlikely to be a good idea.
We do offer CCM front and iron rear for GTR, BMW M3/M4 and Mercedes C63 (In fact for C63 BS, only front CCB factory option is available)
I have been testing this combo set up on my GS350 (Lexus) for street driving for more than a year now, and found it runs very well w/o any compatibility issue while this front CCB/ rear Iron combo can save a lot of money.
For 18" wheel combo kit w/RB calipers it can be have under $10K.
Long time, but just to update, (a bit off topic): I decided to stay "Steel", and went Brembo 6 pistons calipers on floating big steel disk on my old Boxster.
Braking is fantastic (car is mostly used on track). But pads (original Brembo) ..do not last long at all !!
(OK, I admit that with such brakes, you really feel confident to brake late, ..and brake real hard ! )
Sure, I would have preferred to go for low weight (particularly in "unsprung mass), but with all texts about Track and Ceramic rotors, ..I was a bit shy to "do it" !
#29
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Web page for Panamera brakes just got updated.
https://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7375.htm
Front: 394x36mm (vs. OE 390x38) - Direct fit (19" wheels)
Rear: 350x28mm - Direct fit (18" or larger wheels)
These kits will be precisely engineered and built for a 100% bolt-on installation, retain the use of OE calipers & pads.
*410x38/380x30 is the same rotor specs for 2018 Panamera Turbo and Turbo Sport Turismo - A major improvement to all previous models with 350x28mm rear.
https://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7375.htm
Front: 394x36mm (vs. OE 390x38) - Direct fit (19" wheels)
Rear: 350x28mm - Direct fit (18" or larger wheels)
These kits will be precisely engineered and built for a 100% bolt-on installation, retain the use of OE calipers & pads.
*410x38/380x30 is the same rotor specs for 2018 Panamera Turbo and Turbo Sport Turismo - A major improvement to all previous models with 350x28mm rear.
Last edited by RacingBrake; 11-08-2019 at 01:02 AM.