Underwhelmed: 2020 Macan Turbo
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You're making a big mess between turbo lag and the new PDK logic. In the new Macans, when driving quietly in normal mode, the PDK engages the longest gears to save fuel and proceed smoothly. Everything changes by pressing the accelerator or entering the Sport or Sport plus modes. You must learn to guide them.
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You're making a big mess between turbo lag and the new PDK logic. In the new Macans, when driving quietly in normal mode, the PDK engages the longest gears to save fuel and proceed smoothly. Everything changes by pressing the accelerator or entering the Sport or Sport plus modes. You must learn to guide them.
I also have a 992. It’s also twin turbo without perceptible lag. MACAN T- For me- FAIL.
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Turbos are being used very widespread now primarily to keep displacements low but still make necessary HP all in the interest of fuel economy. You wouldn't be the first to realize you don't like the experience of a small displacement turbo engine vs a larger displacement NA engine. Just look at what they did with the Boxster lineup where they were always NA 6 cylinders, then the 718 came along with a turbo 4 that no one particularly liked, and the sporty versions of the newer ones are now back to a larger NA engine - a 4.0L at that.
I have a mix of NA, supercharged, and one turbo car. The turbo is a family vacation hauler so very easy to downshift once and with the tune and mods, have very little if any boost lag, but otherwise, a supercharger with no lag and the impeller driven by the crankshaft pulley feels like a larger displacement NA engine. Not sure if anyone makes a supercharged version of an SUV you'd be interested in, but I'd suggest driving one of those to feel the difference. There are quite a few SUV and trucks that have this setup now, either from the manufacturer or from the aftermarket (companies like Hennessey).
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So, this is interesting. Were either of the 2 previous Macans turbocharged or is this the first one now that they've gone to all turbos? If one of the prior ones was also a Turbo, is something different with the new one to the previous one where the new one seems to have more lag than the prior one?
Turbos are being used very widespread now primarily to keep displacements low but still make necessary HP all in the interest of fuel economy. You wouldn't be the first to realize you don't like the experience of a small displacement turbo engine vs a larger displacement NA engine. Just look at what they did with the Boxster lineup where they were always NA 6 cylinders, then the 718 came along with a turbo 4 that no one particularly liked, and the sporty versions of the newer ones are now back to a larger NA engine - a 4.0L at that.
I have a mix of NA, supercharged, and one turbo car. The turbo is a family vacation hauler so very easy to downshift once and with the tune and mods, have very little if any boost lag, but otherwise, a supercharger with no lag and the impeller driven by the crankshaft pulley feels like a larger displacement NA engine. Not sure if anyone makes a supercharged version of an SUV you'd be interested in, but I'd suggest driving one of those to feel the difference. There are quite a few SUV and trucks that have this setup now, either from the manufacturer or from the aftermarket (companies like Hennessey).
Turbos are being used very widespread now primarily to keep displacements low but still make necessary HP all in the interest of fuel economy. You wouldn't be the first to realize you don't like the experience of a small displacement turbo engine vs a larger displacement NA engine. Just look at what they did with the Boxster lineup where they were always NA 6 cylinders, then the 718 came along with a turbo 4 that no one particularly liked, and the sporty versions of the newer ones are now back to a larger NA engine - a 4.0L at that.
I have a mix of NA, supercharged, and one turbo car. The turbo is a family vacation hauler so very easy to downshift once and with the tune and mods, have very little if any boost lag, but otherwise, a supercharger with no lag and the impeller driven by the crankshaft pulley feels like a larger displacement NA engine. Not sure if anyone makes a supercharged version of an SUV you'd be interested in, but I'd suggest driving one of those to feel the difference. There are quite a few SUV and trucks that have this setup now, either from the manufacturer or from the aftermarket (companies like Hennessey).
I will test drive the Cayenne Turbo (larger engine) and see how it compares. Audi has an up coming RS8 and the there is always the performance version of the Alpha Romeo.
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Loud223 (12-09-2020)
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Since the car was introduced in 2015- all models are turbo charged. I have previously owned a Turbo and a GTS. In 2020, Porsche changed the engine. I don’t like it.
I will test drive the Cayenne Turbo (larger engine) and see how it compares. Audi has an up coming RS8 and the there is always the performance version of the Alpha Romeo.
I will test drive the Cayenne Turbo (larger engine) and see how it compares. Audi has an up coming RS8 and the there is always the performance version of the Alpha Romeo.
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twospyders (12-08-2020)
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Locking my build next week. I wonder if this option is a reduced cell/inch cat. Like the 100 cell/inch $4500 Europipe exhaust on my 997 TT. Which seems to reduce turbo lag, could be just a subjective impression.
Sport Exhaust System incl. Tailpipes in Black
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Sport Exhaust System incl. Tailpipes in Black
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- Modified mufflers
- Distinctive twin dual-tube tailpipes in High Gloss Silver
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Agree. Doubt any manufacturer can offer a higher flow or less effective cat, especially one like Porsche currently that's under scrutiny from the prior emissions scandals.
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Dealer salesman confirmed it is just sound, no extra performance.
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I am on my 3rd Macan (Turbo, GTS, Turbo). Well optioned- beautiful SUV. I also purchased a Taycan the same day. The Taycan is so good that the Macan feels dated. The Turbo lag feels more pronounced now because of the instant response of the electric Taycan. Totally ruined my experience. I don’t think I’ll ever buy another turbo charged ICE car.
In fact, I don’t see ordering another Turbo car ever again (except I already have another Turbo car on order for my wife). I presume that will be a disappointment too.
Prediction: History will not be fond of Turbo cars (unless they’re electric- what a dumb naming move by Porsche).
In fact, I don’t see ordering another Turbo car ever again (except I already have another Turbo car on order for my wife). I presume that will be a disappointment too.
Prediction: History will not be fond of Turbo cars (unless they’re electric- what a dumb naming move by Porsche).
#59
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Now if one’s motivation to own and drive electric extends beyond just the acceleration factor that they offer, that’s fine and I get it. But for me as a performance enthusiast, my general thoughts about it are what I stated above. Again, very very nice vehicle, but nothing that really sets them apart from all the other fine choices (apart from the blistering launch). This is not to say I wouldn’t own an electric performance vehicle one day, just pointing out that the ‘launch’ is the main thing that sets them apart right now for me anyway. I assume there also might be reduced overall maintenance costs with an electric? Again, just my two cents.
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Think about when you're outside somewhere and hear a piped mustang v8 really get on it. My son and I just look at each other and smile. That moment at some time in the not too distant future will never occur for him and his son - that's just sad.
There's nothing exciting about a silent whirr and cars that drive themselves, no matter what the numbers say.
There's nothing exciting about a silent whirr and cars that drive themselves, no matter what the numbers say.