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Old 05-24-2019, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by G-forceTarga4S
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Any suggestions/new ideas for something that can structurally reinforce this weak spot on our GT4's is greatly appreciated. I'd like to have a solid steel one piece unit that would cover the top & might try to convince my engineer friend to make one (he has his own CNC machine in his garage shop!)

I realize what I've done is not bullet proof, however I think of it as wel, l as a steel lid on an aluminium pot.
I'm co owner in a machine shop. We have 8 CNC's and I could machine most things necessary, but I am not proficient on making solid models and 3 D machining, which is kind of what you would need if you wanted to make an odd shaped plate. The Porsche Motorsport one is stamped and would be a good start, which is why I figured to just use it an add my idea to it. Why reinvent the wheel.

Old 05-24-2019, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GoKart Mozart
I'm co owner in a machine shop. We have 8 CNC's and I could machine most things necessary, but I am not proficient on making solid models and 3 D machining, which is kind of what you would need if you wanted to make an odd shaped plate. The Porsche Motorsport one is stamped and would be a good start, which is why I figured to just use it an add my idea to it. Why reinvent the wheel.
My best friend's son is an engineering student & is more up to speed on 3D modeling, than I could ever hope to be. He mentioned making a model with a 3D printer, which I know nothing about!
Old 05-25-2019, 04:19 PM
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I work for a CAM software company. I could help with 3D toolpath creation and NC code generation if needed.
Old 05-26-2019, 12:46 PM
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I'm going to pull my motorsport plate/brackets off the car in July paint/coat them. It would be great if a solid steel bracket could be made somehow.
Old 05-26-2019, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GoKart Mozart
It's definitely a challenge to reverse engineer, which is why it is disappointing Porsche isn't doing anything, because it would be relatively easy for them to do so, but of course once they do, it would be admitting that it was a design flaw.

I'm going to try to come up with something that is realistically simple, but hopefully effective. Along the lines of a strut tower brace, except the bracing will be somewhere else.
I heard a rumor that Tarett might be engineering a reinforcement solution based upon the CS type braces.
Old 05-26-2019, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Former BMW
I heard a rumor that Tarett might be engineering a reinforcement solution based upon the CS type braces.
Funny that is the guy I am talking to about my idea. I already make other parts for him.
Old 05-26-2019, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by GoKart Mozart
Funny that is the guy I am talking to about my idea. I already make other parts for him.
Hah, awesome! Having the clubsport so closely match the street car has made the GT4 community pretty amazing for how relatively few cars were built.
Old 05-27-2019, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GoKart Mozart
Funny that is the guy I am talking to about my idea. I already make other parts for him.
Hopefully, someone is successful in coming up with a solution. Otherwise, mine's going on the auction block once it's fixed.
Old 05-27-2019, 10:44 PM
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Just saw this on a facebook group... T10's berm at Sonoma


Old 05-28-2019, 09:10 AM
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Increasingly likely that this problem may be the cause for multiple postponed/delayed launches of the 718 GT4 and Spyder. Any potential solution/change in the 718 must also be evaluated in terms of how it affects Porsche’s stance regarding the same issue in the 981 — whether it means admitting a design fault or not.
Old 05-28-2019, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by calvinchan
Just saw this on a facebook group... T10's berm at Sonoma
I guess this is proof that the plates itself aren't enough. Sure helps though, most likely it would have been pocking through the hood otherwise
Old 05-28-2019, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by calvinchan
Just saw this on a facebook group... T10's berm at Sonoma

It's always the top along the rim, where it starts. I've carefully reviewed every photo posted on this thread. One post showed a CS with installed plates & the crack/fracture was along the front of the rim. The tower top is too thin & not adequately reinforced from the factory. This photo nicely shows the crack before the top completely fracture apart. Notice that the crack doesn't extend into the bolt hole where the steel black support struts mounts (which is about 2" inches lower & a more solid part of the tower. Modifying the plates may not prevent cracks occurring in the tower, but they will prevent catastrophic failure & the strut becoming completely separated. That's evident in this photo & also with the white CS failure posted previously.

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Originally Posted by G-forceTarga4S
It's always the top along the rim, where it starts. I've carefully reviewed every photo posted on this thread. One post showed a CS with installed plates & the crack/fracture was along the front of the rim. The tower top is too thin & not adequately reinforced from the factory. This photo nicely shows the crack before the top completely fracture apart. Notice that the crack doesn't extend into the bolt hole where the steel black support struts mounts (which is about 2" inches lower & a more solid part of the tower. Modifying the plates may not prevent cracks occurring in the tower, but they will prevent catastrophic failure & the strut becoming completely separated. That's evident in this photo & also with the white CS failure posted previously.
Exactly my thoughts.. And it supports my theory that the failure point seems to be front/center of the each strut tower. The plates,need to be secured in that section to prevent the damage from happening all together. It sucks that the plates aren't enough, but it is good to know that they prevent a catastrophic failure, which is huge already. Takes the element of losing control and getting killed out of the equation, plus it prevents further damage to the car from both the strut going through the hood and not crashing in to anything.
Old 05-28-2019, 01:55 PM
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Unfortunate to see another failure. If anyone knows the owner, please pm me or have the owner pm me if they are a RL member. Would like to capture as much information in the database as possible.

On a similar note, I've sent PMs to everyone who reported failures in this thread. I've received replies from a few, but there are a handful who have not replied. If you know anyone who has posted a failure and they don't check Rennlist often, please ask them to check their inbox.

Thanks!
Old 05-28-2019, 02:14 PM
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Couldnt help but notice that this failure is from the driver's side, and not the passenger side where most of the "other" failures have occurred.


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