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Hmm. Given that 25% of cars on the road are white, but they only represent 19% of the tickets, that suggests white's beating the odds significantly. I'm sticking with stealthy...
I thought the same thing statically but didn't want to argue the point so I'm glad it's been pointed out. I rent a lot of cars when traveling and for what's it worth a red car equals a ticket for me Never fails for me, so now I specify No Red Cars at the counter. In a sea of white or silver cars, red sticks out a bit.
They don't use the word "detuned". They do say that they "tuned" a lower power engine. But what's the difference? You've got the Mecan Turbo at 400 hp, the Cayenne S at 420 hp, and the Cayenne GTS at 440 hp. All use a mechanically identical engine, and Porsche doesn't hide that fact. Tuned, detuned; software changed, power is different. They didn't "detune", instead they worked hard to "find" 20 extra hp... that they'd previously worked hard to lose in the first place.
True. In the Carrera you can (powerkit). Here you can't. However even if you could I'd try to talk you out of it: 10 hp up top... on a good day maybe I could tell the difference in the way it rushes to redline. Side by side you'd tell in the higher gears. But in the way the car drives, it's not materially different than if it had the extra 10 hp- remember there's only a difference between 6700 and ~7600 rpm, and the average difference across that range is averages 5 hp, or 1.3%. Meanwhile the Spyder is 2% lighter than the GT4, and that difference works across the entire rev range.
So Porsche has succeeded in altering perception, ie the Spyder is "slower" than its more expensive rivals when you look at the headline numbers. Hence they don't need to charge more for it. The reality, however, is almost certainly that the quicker car until you get to high RPM and the GT4's ram-air kicks in, and the difference is small enough that you're unlikely to feel it anyway. It's about as close as you'll get to getting something for nothing with Porsche. Meanwhile Porsche would need to charge you what, $3k for a 10 hp "powerkit" you can't feel? Like I said, I'd try to talk you out of it- get a ring and pinion instead, or maybe a set of wheels and sticky tires...
Sure, it sucks when someone takes your cheese. But in this case I'm not so sure much cheese is actually gone. But they do need you to think it's gone, and they can't lie to you, exactly. Which is pretty amusing when you think about it...
Pete...thanks so much for all of the great info on the Spyder! I noted that you've said the Spyder has the same exhaust as the Boxster GTS. So, I assume that means it is NOT the same exhaust (including the muffler system) as on the GT4...is that correct? I saw a PCA video of the underside of the GT4, and comments were made about what a special exhaust system it was. Was hoping it came on the Spyder as well. Can you clarify? Thanks!
Pete...thanks so much for all of the great info on the Spyder! I noted that you've said the Spyder has the same exhaust as the Boxster GTS. So, I assume that means it is NOT the same exhaust (including the muffler system) as on the GT4...is that correct? I saw a PCA video of the underside of the GT4, and comments were made about what a special exhaust system it was. Was hoping it came on the Spyder as well. Can you clarify? Thanks!
"As I mention in the article, I was told that the exhaust systems are identical: zero change between the Sport/ GTS exhaust and the Spyder/ GT4. It's a fair question if the port sizes match. It's normal to leave a step from the head to the header for anti-reversion reasons, so perhaps the 3.4 header was already large enough to accommodate a slightly larger port? Or the 3.4 ports are oversized? In any case word is the intake manifold, throttle body and exhaust were all carried over from the 3.4. So no surprise the engine lost a little power..."
"As I mention in the article, I was told that the exhaust systems are identical: zero change between the Sport/ GTS exhaust and the Spyder/ GT4. It's a fair question if the port sizes match. It's normal to leave a step from the head to the header for anti-reversion reasons, so perhaps the 3.4 header was already large enough to accommodate a slightly larger port? Or the 3.4 ports are oversized? In any case word is the intake manifold, throttle body and exhaust were all carried over from the 3.4. So no surprise the engine lost a little power..."
Thanks. I'm still not clear on this though. The PCA technical analysis video of the underneath of the GT4 found here...(exhaust discussion is right at the end) https://www.pca.org/news/2015-08-11/...nical-analysis
talks about how different the GT4 exhaust is from the standard cayman/boxster unit. It doesn't specifically say it differs from the GTS sport exhaust, but seems to imply that, at least to me. So are we saying this video is incorrect relative to the exhaust? Or are they just talking about how terrific the GTS sport exhaust is...which also happens to be on the GT4?
Thanks. I'm still not clear on this though. The PCA technical analysis video of the underneath of the GT4 found here...(exhaust discussion is right at the end) https://www.pca.org/news/2015-08-11/...nical-analysis
talks about how different the GT4 exhaust is from the standard cayman/boxster unit. It doesn't specifically say it differs from the GTS sport exhaust, but seems to imply that, at least to me. So are we saying this video is incorrect relative to the exhaust? Or are they just talking about how terrific the GTS sport exhaust is...which also happens to be on the GT4?
The video doesn't really supply much factual info. I'm going with what Pete says. The exhaust is the same between the GT4/Spyder and GTS. Doesn't mean the 3.4 GTS and 3.8 Spyder/GT4 will sound the same though.
The video doesn't really supply much factual info. I'm going with what Pete says. The exhaust is the same between the GT4/Spyder and GTS. Doesn't mean the 3.4 GTS and 3.8 Spyder/GT4 will sound the same though.
I agree. The sound certainly would be different. And you're right...not many details in the video. There is a clear view of the exhaust though. So if it looks exactly like the GTS version (I haven't seen one, so am not sure), then that would verify this I suppose. I agree that Pete's info is likely spot on. I'm just trying to reconcile that with the comments made in that video by a guy who seems to know these cars pretty well.
Pete...thanks so much for all of the great info on the Spyder! I noted that you've said the Spyder has the same exhaust as the Boxster GTS. So, I assume that means it is NOT the same exhaust (including the muffler system) as on the GT4...is that correct? I saw a PCA video of the underside of the GT4, and comments were made about what a special exhaust system it was. Was hoping it came on the Spyder as well. Can you clarify? Thanks!
The Spyder and GT4 do share the same exhaust- I was told as much, and images Porsche released of the two systems are identical.
I was also told by the engineers that this exhaust is identical to the sport exhaust option on the Cayman S (standard on the GTS). PET images of the sport exhaust and the GT4/ Spyder also look identical. The video isn't totally clear if it's referring to the sports or standard exhaust, but from everything I was told and everything I can tell suggests the sport exhaust and GT4/ Spyder exhaust will prove identical.
Optional sports exhaust top per PET, Spyder/ GT4 bottom. Headers also look identical:
The Spyder and GT4 do share the same exhaust- I was told as much, and images Porsche released of the two systems are identical.
I was also told by the engineers that this exhaust is identical to the sport exhaust option on the Cayman S (standard on the GTS). PET images of the sport exhaust and the GT4/ Spyder also look identical. The video isn't totally clear if it's referring to the sports or standard exhaust, but from everything I was told and everything I can tell suggests the sport exhaust and GT4/ Spyder exhaust will prove identical.
The Spyder and GT4 do share the same exhaust- I was told as much, and images Porsche released of the two systems are identical.
I was also told by the engineers that this exhaust is identical to the sport exhaust option on the Cayman S (standard on the GTS). PET images of the sport exhaust and the GT4/ Spyder also look identical. The video isn't totally clear if it's referring to the sports or standard exhaust, but from everything I was told and everything I can tell suggests the sport exhaust and GT4/ Spyder exhaust will prove identical.
Optional sports exhaust top per PET, Spyder/ GT4 bottom. Headers also look identical:
Pete...do you have any perspective on the noise level (wind/road noise) of the car with the top up. All of the comments I've seen have been based on top down...the way we'd all like to drive the car. But I plan to use it with some frequency, including some interstate drives at 75-80 mph. In the heat of Florida, some of these will have to be top up. Any idea regarding how noisy it is likely to be in those circumstances? No padding on the roof, obviously, so I'm not expecting it to be quiet. Just curious how bad it is likely to be.
Thanks again for all of the info you've provided Really helps when you're sinking a lot of $ into a car you haven't been able to drive...
It is loud inside, significantly louder than my GT4. It sounds great lMHO, better than the GT4 (heavier on exhaust note inside the car), but I suspect it is the loudest car (inside) that Porsche has released in some time. To me it's completely acceptable for what it is, and I would even use the car as a DD, but I think Porsche's average customer would find it on the noisy side for that roll- I'd expect issues with sound quality using the hands free phone at speed, for example.
Noise is so subjective, but to me the noise is good enough that it's actually a plus, not a minus. YMMV.
It is loud inside, significantly louder than my GT4. It sounds great lMHO, better than the GT4 (heavier on exhaust note inside the car), but I suspect it is the loudest car (inside) that Porsche has released in some time. To me it's completely acceptable for what it is, and I would even use the car as a DD, but I think Porsche's average customer would find it on the noisy side for that roll- I'd expect issues with sound quality using the hands free phone at speed, for example.
Noise is so subjective, but to me the noise is good enough that it's actually a plus, not a minus. YMMV.
I agree. For this type of car, lot's of engine/mechanical noise is a plus...and wind noise with the top down is to be expected. I am just hoping that with the top up, the wind noise won't be too bad. Thanks!
