Originally Posted by BlackGT3

So annoyed with these EV loving propaganda. Can’t believe it’s also happening on this forum.

Originally Posted by Zhao

A car is the sum of all its components. If you want to talk safety you need to factor everything in. Laser focusing on one item and not factoring in how everything around it has changed has little value for a position. You're laser focusing on # of fires too, disconting how and when they happen. A fire that is noticed is rarely a problem. A fire that burns without being noticed until it is massive is usually a huge problem. Why don't you see that?

There are also 2 studies that suggest the current data insurance companies are using is misleading. They're pulling data from total number of fires for each type of vehicle and getting a ratio by the number of vehicles and saying EV's are safer from that. But 2 university studies say the risk of fire is much higher than suggested by that data. One study says when you look at fires per starts, it actually is significantly more in favour of EV's igniting.

I'd say that means comparing a fleet that contains a ton of poorly maintained 20 year old ICE cars in it to a fleet of brand new EVs driven by rich people who maintain them is garbage info, and it also brings up something I didn't think of before, in taht EV's are largely people's 'other' car, and are not a primary car for a lot of people, and those that use it as a primary car are gnerally people who live in a large metro area that do not have the same driving habits as someone living in a less populated area, and thus EV's have less starts per year and less KM driven than your average ICE cars. Basically if you drive a newer car less and maintain it better of course it's going to show data that it has less fires. THe primary cause of ICE car fires is poor maintenance. The primary cause of EV fires is battery failure.

Originally Posted by patdonahue

Always amazed at the EV proponents get so upset when data is produced that doesn't agree with their point of view.

Originally Posted by Montaver

EV tech is not inherently bad, it all depends how we implement it. Its pretty clear our addiction to fossil fuels is an issue, but just ramming through a transition to full electric is not really a workable solution in the short term. Hybrids are the sweet spot for the foreseeable future, at which point we may have developed something better or more efficient than full electric. Take the new X5 for example, it can go 40 miles on electric range. For your average suburban person taking their kids to school, driving to whole foods, the gym etc. this is enough range to not need ICE. Just charge it at home, no fast charger required. Then when you go somewhere farther you can activate the engine. Massively reduces overall emissions, without any of the major downsides of full electric. This will allow manufacturers to keep building the fun stuff, so I'm all for it.

Originally Posted by rj2014

I can live with this solution. My main worry is the hurried way in governments have mandated this transition to EVs without the market actually demanding it. Nobody seems to care about the potential risks to switch to all electric from an energy point of view. We don't have our energy problem worked out yet but want to switch to all electric vehicles. What could go wrong right? These governments that are forcing this on us are the same entities that were responsible for the brilliantly executed covid lockdowns, the expertly controlled money printing etc etc (sarcasm intended). Let's just trust them to make all the right decisions.

Originally Posted by patdonahue

Always amazed at the EV proponents get so upset when data is produced that doesn't agree with their point of view. Even more amazed is how intolerant they are because there are people on this forum who do not want an electric vehicle and are deemed being left behind in the face of progress, There are things we know about EVs. There are also things we know we don't know about EVs. AND: The big one there are things we do not know that we do not know about EVs.
If Porsche was so certain about the EV future why did they build a Syn-Fuel plant in South America? Are they hedging their bets with a plan B? ICE engines are going to be around a long time before the infrastructure technology catches up and if some technology breakthrough happens in a few years it could even make EVs redundant.
I really get the impression from some on this forum with respect to EVs that "it is my way or the highway" No pun intended! ;-)

Originally Posted by rj2014

Yeah you either agree with them or you are labelled an idiot. I am a mid 30yr old guy and love my ICE cars. I will probably buy an EV for a DD but would like the battery technology to catch up before I take the plunge.

For sports cars though? Sound is a huge part of it and EVs are lacking in it. Heck go watch formula 1 and formula e and decide for yourself which one you like better.

Originally Posted by dichael

I don’t have an issue with evs. Yes, regulations and tax incentives are helping capture market share, but to me that steady increase is primarily because, individual motives aside, more and more people *want* them. There’s lots to like, but there’s also much work to do (infrastructure being the biggest, imo). I’m always excited about choice (what if hydrogen or alternative fuels really break through?). I like where the market is heading… there will def be growing pains but damn these are exciting times!

Originally Posted by greatfox315

Nobody labeled anyone an idiot (certainly not me). That said, many of those in this thread choose to ignore the facts when looking at EVs vs ICE vehicles. They are not unsafe and are far less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles are.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinio...ally-speaking/

This study specifically calls out that NON-CRASH EV fires are no more likely to happen than NON-CRASH ICE vehicle fires (such as the highly publicized garage fires of Tesla and GM EVs)

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-co...crash-fire.pdf

And for what it’s worth, I’m a massive gearhead and love ICE cars. They’ve had their day, long live the greats, but it’s time to stop being so afraid of what we are unfamiliar with.

Originally Posted by rj2014

My main worry is the hurried way in governments have mandated this transition to EVs.